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camelkebab · 12-08-08, 03:20

ok, new question:

what does this mean?

"dast o pah cholofteh"

what does "cholofteh" mean, and what does this sentence mean?

pishaapish mochaker!

**Hassan Kachal** · 12-08-08, 03:27

cholofteh !!!

dasto pa cholofteh is said to those who cant to anything right... or do things with side effects

they will wash the dishes and/also break a cup... clean the house and/also ruin something

"cholofteh" those not exist in our dictionary

btw pishapish moteshakker not mochaker

camelkebab · 12-08-08, 03:35

is this saying positiv? or jokingly? or negative?

is cholofteh related to cholagh ( crippled)?

can cholofteh be used in other ways?

pishaapish moteshakker

moe_entezar · 12-08-08, 03:38

clumsy!

camelkebab · 29-08-08, 01:32

what does this mean, and when is it used?

"la elahi elallah" not sure exactly the phrase, but it is something like this.

pishaapish moteshakker

QQ-BOLOL · 29-08-08, 01:57

it's arabic, but iranian use it when someone dies. when they are carrying a dead body to it's grave, they say LA ELAHA ELALLAH.

Banafsh119 · 29-08-08, 02:06

	Quote: Originally Posted by nimamc
	Ehsaas is the plural of hess! In the first situation you can't use hess or ehsas, In Persian you just say I like you, at least most of the times! In the last situation you say Ehsaas, because it's feelingS In every other situation above you can use both of them! bye

aziz, Ehsas plural hes nist,

Ehsas bar vazn efal ast, ....ke az masadere solasy hast...

Afala, yofelo, Efal
Ahsasa, yohseso, Ehsas

Plural ya jaem HES dar zaban Araby EHSASAT ast va dar zaban Farsi HESHA

**nobodynoone** · 29-08-08, 04:27

	Quote: Originally Posted by camelkebab
	what does this mean, and when is it used? "la elahi elallah" not sure exactly the phrase, but it is something like this. pishaapish moteshakker

Hi
La Elah a Ella Allah:

La:No
Elah:God
Ella:Except
Allah:God(Allah is the term Muslims use for their God)

SO:There is no God except Allah

But this has become popular in Farsi and most of the times those who use this,don't mean the exact definition.
Sometimes they use it when they feel frustrated.
Imagine u r explaining sth to someone and he/she insists on his/her point regardless of your explanation then u become upset and say La elah ....

They also use this phrase when carrying dead bodies.

yasserbahale · 29-08-08, 04:56

hey buddy, it's very good to learn this part of persian language (kooche bazari, challe meydooni, metaphors ...)
but I think for you who wants to learn and understand using persian poems, you should go more forward
instead of listening to songs of Siavash Shams or other LA singers with the same level of lyrics, you should go after something more sensibly
in persian poems usually metaphors and this makes understanding the poem a bit difficult
we have poets like Iraj Jannati Atei, Ardalan Sarfaraz
the language of their poems isn't so difficult to understand
when you've understood their poems, you surely do understand words like bala, delbar and so on
a bit older singers like Dariush, Googoosh, ... have songs written by the poets I named you
espacially their old love songs could help you

last but not at least you should know this: mokhlesam

camelkebab · 29-08-08, 06:32

thanks for your answer yasserbahale. My ultimate goal is to be able to read books in farsi and papers in farsi. My farsi is ok, i have no problem talking with iranians, but when the discussion becomes more complex i dont understand anything i.e. i dont know the "big words", also I have problems with nuances. So my idea is just to learn words. Also my favourite part of farsi is the poethic bit, it is something that does not exist in Swedish or English so it is natural that I ask many question about these words in these songs. I know the level might be low, but I'm a beginner. After a while of learning iranian songs hopefully i will go to poems written by ferdoosi, sadi and haafez. I find many of their poems extremely beautiful but at the moment they are too difficult.

12-08-08, 03:27	#82 (permalink)
Hassan Kachal Staff Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,098 Credits: 84,360 Thanks: 3,323 Thanked 4,339 Times in 1,927 Posts	cholofteh !!! dasto pa cholofteh is said to those who cant to anything right... or do things with side effects they will wash the dishes and/also break a cup... clean the house and/also ruin something "cholofteh" those not exist in our dictionary btw pishapish moteshakker not mochaker __________________ چارلی چاپلین: خوشبختی یعنی فاصله ی این بدبختی تا بدبختی بعدی !

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yasserbahale Forum God Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 3,663 Credits: 22,603 Thanks: 1,124 Thanked 1,235 Times in 591 Posts	hey buddy, it's very good to learn this part of persian language (kooche bazari, challe meydooni, metaphors ...) but I think for you who wants to learn and understand using persian poems, you should go more forward instead of listening to songs of Siavash Shams or other LA singers with the same level of lyrics, you should go after something more sensibly in persian poems usually metaphors and this makes understanding the poem a bit difficult we have poets like Iraj Jannati Atei, Ardalan Sarfaraz the language of their poems isn't so difficult to understand when you've understood their poems, you surely do understand words like bala, delbar and so on a bit older singers like Dariush, Googoosh, ... have songs written by the poets I named you espacially their old love songs could help you last but not at least you should know this: mokhlesam __________________

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camelkebab Lord Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 436 Credits: 3,138 Thanks: 412 Thanked 59 Times in 43 Posts	is this saying positiv? or jokingly? or negative? is cholofteh related to cholagh ( crippled)? can cholofteh be used in other ways? pishaapish moteshakker

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camelkebab Lord Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 436 Credits: 3,138 Thanks: 412 Thanked 59 Times in 43 Posts	what does this mean, and when is it used? "la elahi elallah" not sure exactly the phrase, but it is something like this. pishaapish moteshakker

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QQ-BOLOL Emperor Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: TORONTO Posts: 1,259 Credits: 5,134 Thanks: 51 Thanked 189 Times in 141 Posts	it's arabic, but iranian use it when someone dies. when they are carrying a dead body to it's grave, they say LA ELAHA ELALLAH.

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camelkebab Lord Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 436 Credits: 3,138 Thanks: 412 Thanked 59 Times in 43 Posts	thanks for your answer yasserbahale. My ultimate goal is to be able to read books in farsi and papers in farsi. My farsi is ok, i have no problem talking with iranians, but when the discussion becomes more complex i dont understand anything i.e. i dont know the "big words", also I have problems with nuances. So my idea is just to learn words. Also my favourite part of farsi is the poethic bit, it is something that does not exist in Swedish or English so it is natural that I ask many question about these words in these songs. I know the level might be low, but I'm a beginner. After a while of learning iranian songs hopefully i will go to poems written by ferdoosi, sadi and haafez. I find many of their poems extremely beautiful but at the moment they are too difficult.