general grammar

tnoland · 22-02-09, 23:18

Hello
I am a farsi student and wanted to know if anybody can assist me in distinguishing the difference between the present tense root for the following verbs:

1) Gashtan- To search گشتن

and

2) Gardidan- to rotate گردیدن

merci

**darvish** · 23-02-09, 22:01

What do you exactly mean by present tense root? are you referring to "Esme Masdar"? I never learned farsi in an english environment, thus I know structure and tense names all in farsi. Please elaborate on that, someone might be able to shed some light on your question.

Ferdos · 23-02-09, 22:28

“gashtan” in English roughly means “hanging around” or to cruise, for the purpose of having a good time. The present tense for the word varies, depending on its subject pronoun. If you want to say “I cruise”, it would become “man migardam”; “you cruise”, it’s “shoma migardi.

“gardidan” is somewhat different, although it could be synonym of the word “gashtan”, as above. But gardidan depending on the occasion and sentence, it could mean ambulatory, or circulatory. For its present tense form, the same principle and grammatical rule, as above, applies.

Triumph · 23-02-09, 22:41

I think I know what is baffling you.
Let's start with a more typical verb - khordan = to eat:
- mikhoram
- mikhori
- mikhorad

- mikhorim
- mikhorid
- mikhorand

so far, so good. now, let's try "gardidan":
- migardam
- migardi
- migardad

- migardim
- migardid
- migardand

and here is the confusion ... the present tense conjugates for "gashtan", however, does not retain its root as it appears in "masdar" form .... it, ironically, is identical to "gardidan" ...
- migardam
- migardi
- migardad

- migardim
- migardid
- migardand

go figure!

dokhtare · 24-02-09, 00:43

Gashtan Means Like To Look For S.Th... But Gardidan Could Have 2 Meanings, One Goes To Gashtan And The Other Is Like... Rastgoo Gardidam.. Means I Wasn't Honest But Now I Am... And Gashtan In The Same Way.

**Hassan Kachal** · 24-02-09, 02:07

	Quote: Originally Posted by Triumph
	and here is the confusion ... the present tense conjugates for "gashtan", however, does not retain its root as it appears in "masdar" form .... it, ironically, is identical to "gardidan" ... - migardam - migardi - migardad - migardim - migardid - migardand go figure!

well why not !?

- migashtam
- migashti
- migasht

- migashtim
- migashtid
- migashtand

Triumph · 24-02-09, 09:06

	Quote: Originally Posted by Hassan Kachal
	well why not !? - migashtam - migashti - migasht - migashtim - migashtid - migashtand

great. I'm glad this came up. this variation pertains to "past" tense, while the question had to do with "present" tense. hope it makes sense. my bad. I shoulda included this in my original reply. cheers.

Ferdos · 24-02-09, 20:49

	Quote: Originally Posted by dokhtare
	Gashtan Means Like To Look For S.Th...

hmmm. S.Th? is that something....something like fun or something? or what?

dokhtare · 24-02-09, 22:10

	Quote: Originally Posted by Ferdos
	hmmm. S.Th? is that something....something like fun or something? or what?

Donbale Ye Chizi Gashtan Dige... look for something... Font Trick

**Ehsan Z.** · 25-02-09, 07:17

shouldn't it be "Gardaandan"? (to rotate)
I never heard of "Gardidan", it might be common and mean "gashtan" but I think its grammatically wrong

22-02-09, 23:18	#1 (permalink)
tnoland Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5 Credits: 129 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	general grammar Hello I am a farsi student and wanted to know if anybody can assist me in distinguishing the difference between the present tense root for the following verbs: 1) Gashtan- To search گشتن and 2) Gardidan- to rotate گردیدن merci

23-02-09, 22:28	#3 (permalink)
Ferdos Forum Legend Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,883 Credits: 11,412 Thanks: 109 Thanked 800 Times in 405 Posts	“gashtan” in English roughly means “hanging around” or to cruise, for the purpose of having a good time. The present tense for the word varies, depending on its subject pronoun. If you want to say “I cruise”, it would become “man migardam”; “you cruise”, it’s “shoma migardi. “gardidan” is somewhat different, although it could be synonym of the word “gashtan”, as above. But gardidan depending on the occasion and sentence, it could mean ambulatory, or circulatory. For its present tense form, the same principle and grammatical rule, as above, applies. __________________ بهشت عدن اگر خواهی بیا با ما به میخانه که از پای خمت روزی به حوض کوثر اندازیم

23-02-09, 22:41	#4 (permalink)
Triumph Triple Ace Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 198 Credits: 695 Thanks: 34 Thanked 56 Times in 50 Posts	I think I know what is baffling you. Let's start with a more typical verb - khordan = to eat: - mikhoram - mikhori - mikhorad - mikhorim - mikhorid - mikhorand so far, so good. now, let's try "gardidan": - migardam - migardi - migardad - migardim - migardid - migardand and here is the confusion ... the present tense conjugates for "gashtan", however, does not retain its root as it appears in "masdar" form .... it, ironically, is identical to "gardidan" ... - migardam - migardi - migardad - migardim - migardid - migardand go figure! __________________ ''The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist fears this is true."

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dokhtare Jupiter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: U.S..VirginiA Posts: 5,292 Credits: 16,040 Thanks: 4,542 Thanked 1,391 Times in 841 Posts	Gashtan Means Like To Look For S.Th... But Gardidan Could Have 2 Meanings, One Goes To Gashtan And The Other Is Like... Rastgoo Gardidam.. Means I Wasn't Honest But Now I Am... And Gashtan In The Same Way. __________________ Life Is Short & It Always Does W/E Takes To Beat You!

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Ehsan Z. Staff Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sydney, AU Posts: 2,231 Credits: 512,322 Thanks: 147 Thanked 431 Times in 220 Posts	shouldn't it be "Gardaandan"? (to rotate) I never heard of "Gardidan", it might be common and mean "gashtan" but I think its grammatically wrong __________________

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darvish Founder Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United States of America Posts: 3,800 Credits: 480,647 Thanks: 1,384 Thanked 1,294 Times in 516 Posts	What do you exactly mean by present tense root? are you referring to "Esme Masdar"? I never learned farsi in an english environment, thus I know structure and tense names all in farsi. Please elaborate on that, someone might be able to shed some light on your question.

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