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Old 05-07-09, 07:21   #1 (permalink)
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Yek soal az Modirane PH

با سلام خدمت مديران عزيز و خانواده بزرگ اين سايت

در رابطه با قوانين اين سايت يک انتقاد يا به عبارتی پيشنهادی داشتم.

تو اين اروپا که ما زندگی ميکنيم و به احتمال زياد در امريکا هم اينطوری هست که هر شخصی که در يک سايت عضو بشود ، اين امکان به کاربر داده ميشود که بتواند در صورت تمايل در هر زمانی
پروفايل و
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خودش غير فعال و يا کاملاً پاک کند.
متأسفانه در صحبتی که با يکی از مديران عزيز اين سايت داشتم، ايشان به من گفتند که طبقه قوانين اين سايت چنين امکانی وجود ندارد. مبنای صحبت ايشان پاراگراف 8 بود:
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8. Nicknames

8-1 • Once you register a nickname, it will not be manipulated by any means. This option has been disabled and will not be used under any circumstances. Therefore, please refrain from asking the staff to change/modify your nickname, if you insist your nickname will be deleted so you can pick a new one.

صرف نظر ازين که صحبت من بر سر تعويض نام کاربر نبوده و منظورم پاک کردن کل پروفايل و
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بوده، ميخواستم بپرسم که آيا چنين قوانينی کمی بحث بر انگيز نيستند؟
به عنوان مثال اگر شخصی بياید اينجا و بی احترامی و يا تبليغ بکند پروفايلش مسدود خواهد شد، ولی اگر کاربری با احترام بخواهد که حساب خود را به هر دليلی مسدود بکند اين امکان وجود نداره؟به جز با انجام کار های خلاف و به زور؟
نميدونم که آيا تعداد اعضای رجيستر شده برای مساعلی چون تبليغات انقدر مهم هست که اين امکان به کاربر ها داده نميشود يا دليل جالب ديگری وجود دارد و يا اينکه روي اين مسئله تاحالا فکر نشده است!؟
به هر حال خوشحال ميشوم اگر جواب قانع کننديی بشنوم.
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Old 05-07-09, 07:32   #2 (permalink)
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Man daghigh nemidunam ziad, vali fekr konam yek dalilesh ine, vaghti yeki active hast , va bade moddati bekhad bebande accountesho, unvaght kase digeyi mitune baaz kone nickname hamuns hakhs, va mojebe so'e tafaahomhaayi mitune bashe,. Baraa hamin fekr konam kami edare kardaneshoon moshkel beshe,.
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Old 05-07-09, 09:37   #3 (permalink)
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Salam GhareGhoroot aziz

jaye tashakor dare ke enteghad mishe chon in neshon dahaneye ine ke shoma arzesh ghael hastin

rajebe username ya nickname masalei ke hastesh moshkele hoviat va so` estefade az hoviat hastesh ke makhsosan dar persianhub tarikhcheye derazi dare

alan shayad baziha ba chand username online mishan va post mizanan, ya baziha ba username doosti ashnai online mishan

aya mane noi` ke username agha ya khanome "XYZ" ro ba yek zehniat jensiat va hoviati mishnasam, vaghti befahmam ke ishon dar asl yeki dige boode aya ja nemikhoram, ehsase badi nesbat be on shakhs behem dast nemide, va toye ja`m kharo khafif nemishe kam kam...

hatm daram inja kheili azad tar bood agar username haro mishod taghir bedi, vali saaye in forum hamishe bar vaghe` gerai va nazdik tar kardane makane inja be zendegi vaghei hastesh, baraye hamin to zendegi vaghei adam YEK hoviat dare

ke albate motasefane soe estefadehai shode dar in salha va ham aknon edame dare ke in vagheiato zire soal mibare, ke onam barmigarde be bahse azadi va inke cheghadr hagh dare har kasi manovr kone(ke azadi hamishe factore mohemi dar bahsa hast)

rajebe masdood shodane profile ha, on bahsesh aslan fargh mikone

kasi profilesh delete nemishe to PH magar inkeo ama ham nadare, masdood shodan yani ban ke onham dar mavarede spam estefade mishe ya agar 3 ta warning kasi begire ya vaghean kari bokone ke dige kare khalafe ghavanin PH bashe

in benazaram kheili fargh dare ta kasi ke mikhad username sh avaz she, ya accountesh delete beshe

shoma azadi harchanta username ke mikhay register koni, kasi ham to privacy shoma kari nadare

omidvaram javabe ghane` konandei bashe, chon in ghavanin koli saresh bahs shode va bezoodi taghirati ham shayad dade beshe

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فکر ميکنم که منظورم رو درست بيان نکردم!
اتفاقاً بحث من هم سر عوض کردن نام کاربری اصلاً نبوده و نيست!

به نظر من هم امکان تغيير نام کاربری چيز جالبی نيست و همون بهتر که مقدور نيست چرا که به دلايلی که شما عزيزان گفتيد امکان سو استفاده از نام کاربری ديگران وجود داره! اما

در خيلی از سايت ها
(مثال: FACEBOOK)
يک کاربر ميتونه پرفيل خودش رو غير فعال کنه يا کاملاً پاک کنه!
چون اگر روزی روزگاری پيش آمد که کاربری بنا به هر دليلی دوست نداشت ديگه در سايت عضو باشه، اين امکان براش هست که اطلاعاته شخصی را به طور کامل پاک کنه و يا غير فعال(حالا يا موقتاً يا برای هميشه)

من هم سؤالم اين بود که چرا اين امکان رو اينجا برايه کاربر های معمولی وجود نداره!؟



البته من اين مضوع
"information privacy"
رو کمی روش تحقيق کردم و ديدم که گويا در آمريکا زياد توجهی بهش نميشه، و اين اروپايی ها هستن که خيلی حساس هستند


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khob kheili sade bekham begam, facebook forum nist, dar yek forum profile yek hoviate, mitone hoviate vaghei nabashe (pas bahse privacy nist ke badeha kasi bekhad az bein bebare)

ama facebook mamolan adam esme khodesho mizare, information digasho, ax az khodesh va gheire... ke badam kasani ke profilet ro mibinan limited hast be doostat (ya har settingi ke dari)

inja intor rasmi nadarim, chera harki mitone harchi info va ax mikhad bezare, masoliatesham ba khodeshe public ham hast, az google bezane yeki GhareGhoroot miad be profile PH e shoma

injast ke masoliate inke chi migim va chejori post mizanim vazeh mishe, ke bale agha ya khanome XYZ hamcin posti zade inja ke sabet mimone, hata ba deactive kardane profile ham bazam esme shoma zire on harf hast va hoviate shoma baghist

pas dalili baraye optione deactive nist, agar kasi nemihkad estefade kone az profilesh mitone log in nakone, chon agar option bezarim bara delete kardane ye account baz ham post ha ba username oon taraf baghi mimone, faghat usernamesh be jai link nemishe; ke aslan deactive ro bi ma`ni mikone

hala girim ke jenabe XYZ omad deactive kard, farda be refighesh mige are toam deactive kon bere, onam hamintor... va onvaght bayad 20nafar taze nafas bian faghat requeste deactive o reactive accountharo anjam bedan, ke fe`lan karhae mohem tari mesle javab be soalhae moheme memberha (mesle hamin soal), raa`fe moshkelat, moderation va gheyre arjaiat daran

badham moshkelate in option gariban gir mishe dar toolani modat Ghareghoroot jan, ma hichvaght nemikhaim hich kasi narazi bashe... ama yeseri optionha hast ke bale momkene alan kheili khob bashe, ama dar toolani modat momkene hamin baese delshekastegi, delkhori, va kodorat beine memberha beshe... va in tabi`z hichvaght jobran pazir nist...

fekr mikonam in option nabodesh mohito vaghei tar be zendegi mikone, ta boodanesh... va yaghin daram baghie member ha haam dost dashte bashan inja salem o vaghei bashe, ta fantezio surreal ke nadoni dari ba ki sohbat mikoni, bahs mikoni...

omidvaram tozih kameli boode bashe

Chax

ps; tamame in policy ha az jomle privacy policy bezoodi kamel mishe alan dar marhaleye negaresh hastesh. Onja tozihat kamel dade mishe.
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Avalan ke mamnoun az javabe sari

va ama dar javabe shoma:
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inja intor rasmi nadarim, chera harki mitone harchi info va ax mikhad bezare, masoliatesham ba khodeshe public ham hast, az google bezane yeki GhareGhoroot miad be profile PH e shoma
khob moshkele man ham hamine manam migam chera bayad harkasi ke too google nickname XYZ ro search mikone biad inja, bebine taraf kie (agar ke adressi chizi zade bashe bebine adressesh chie, ID messenger chie) che thread hayi zade, che post hayi zade, che tarze tafakore siasi, ejtemayi ... dare!?

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pas dalili baraye optione deactive nist, agar kasi nemihkad estefade kone az profilesh mitone log in nakone, chon agar option bezarim bara delete kardane ye account baz ham post ha ba username oon taraf baghi mimone, faghat usernamesh be jai link nemishe; ke aslan deactive ro bi ma`ni mikone
hamin link nashodan yani inke in ID dige vojud nadare, na IP azin ID save o negah dari mishe, na adresse email na password na chize digeyi in taraf haki boude dige vojoude majazi ba in ID nadare, va in daghighan hamoun chizi ke shakhse moteghazi pak kardan e profile dar vaghe mikhad!

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injast ke masoliate inke chi migim va chejori post mizanim vazeh mishe, ke bale agha ya khanome XYZ hamcin posti zade inja ke sabet mimone, hata ba deactive kardane profile ham bazam esme shoma zire on harf hast va hoviate shoma baghist
etefaghan ta behal ke akse in masale ro shahed boudim, onayi ke bi adabi kardan tohin kardan tabligh kardan accounteshoun baste shode, va dar vaghe faghat emkane baste shodane account ro shoma azin tarigh maghdoor kardin

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hala girim ke jenabe XYZ omad deactive kard, farda be refighesh mige are toam deactive kon bere, onam hamintor... va onvaght bayad 20nafar taze nafas bian faghat requeste deactive o reactive accountharo anjam bedan, ke fe`lan karhae mohem tari mesle javab be soalhae moheme memberha (mesle hamin soal), raa`fe moshkelat, moderation va gheyre arjaiat daran
in ghesmat ro aslan ghaboul nadaram!
1. arz kardam ke in emkan dar site azimi chon facebook vojoud dare, yani mifarmayin ke onja 200 nafar adam neshastan va account haro activate, deactivate ya reactivate mikonan?
2. ta onjayi ke man etelaa daram baraye register shodan ham bayad account activate beshe o in kar automatic anjam migire ke dige har forum koocholoo o alaki ham inkaro mikone, hala chera makoose in amal emkan pazir nist (ke sad albateh hast) man ke nemifahmam

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fekr mikonam in option nabodesh mohito vaghei tar be zendegi mikone, ta boodanesh... va yaghin daram baghie member ha haam dost dashte bashan inja salem o vaghei bashe, ta fantezio surreal ke nadoni dari ba ki sohbat mikoni, bahs mikoni...
faramoush nakon aziz ke internet va ingooneh forum ha mohite majazi boude o hast! doroste ke agar 2 nafar mayel be bar gharari ertebate shakhsi doosti kharej az internet va raft o amad dashte bashan mitounan inkaro anjam bedan, vali ghaleb va sakhtar e inja bayad tori bashe ke ejazeh nade har kasi be har etelaati ke bekhad dast peyda bekone!
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Site haii mese Twitter o Facebook ke shakhsiat e taraf mohemme, masalan adam haye too siasat va adamhaye maroof ziad hastan toosh nemishe account ro kamel delete kard! Too Facebook ke migan ke shoma faghat deactive mikoni(harvaght dobare login koni activate mishe automatic) va hichkas nemitoone be esm o moshakhasat e to dobare bere ye account besaze. Too Twitter ham bekhai delete koni mige ke ghablesh age bekhai ke in esm available bemoone bayad moshakhasateto taghir bedi.

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Va in:

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Darmorede chizi ke gofte boodin yekio search koni too Google masalan mitoni hamechisho peyda koni, oon dige be Google marboot mishe, va ghabl az sakhtan e har account too ye forum, age ghesmate privacy policy sho khoonde bashin toosh in chizaro neveshte.

Manam bazi vaghta chenin chizi too fekram oomade ke adam age bekhad az ye site bere hamechizash oonja mimoone o kheili bade, amma man hazer nistam ke yeki biad ba esme man ye account besaze o khodesho jaye man ja bezane,(too internet ham ke pore az in joor adamaye bikar o mariz va fekr konam khodetam ba man ham aghideii too in mored).
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merci az tajzie kardane harfa ke vazeh tar kardane manzoret az gozashtane in option chie va deghati ke kardi

man vaght dashte basham javabe har kasio midam, chon inja harchizi barash koli fekr mishe ta be anjam mirese bara hamin hatman bara har soali yek javabi hast

hala shoma e noi ghabol nadari yeki dige ghabol mikone yechiize badi`e

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khob moshkele man ham hamine manam migam chera bayad harkasi ke too google nickname XYZ ro search mikone biad inja, bebine taraf kie (agar ke adressi chizi zade bashe bebine adressesh chie, ID messenger chie) che thread hayi zade, che post hayi zade, che tarze tafakore siasi, ejtemayi ... dare!?
inyekio nemishe karish kard, agar nemikhad yeki kasi befahme tarze fekresh chie khob mitone post nazane, dige biaem hamejaro bebandim ghofl konim ke mishe dore hami baham sohbat mikonim

dooste aziz toye internet shoma ba site sohbat nemikoni shoma ba kole jahan sohbat mikoni, va jologiri az in amr faghat interneto az halate tabish door mikone

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hamin link nashodan yani inke in ID dige vojud nadare, na IP azin ID save o negah dari mishe, na adresse email na password na chize digeyi in taraf haki boude dige vojoude majazi ba in ID nadare, va in daghighan hamoun chizi ke shakhse moteghazi pak kardan e profile dar vaghe mikhad!
etefaghan moshkel haminjast, mohem ine che shakhsi che harfi zade, shoma mitoni to profilet benevisi alaki "man asheghe range banafsham" bad biae to postet begi "man asheghe range ghermezam"

bazham takid mikonam in masoliate shalkhsie, na masoliate makan ya faza

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etefaghan ta behal ke akse in masale ro shahed boudim, onayi ke bi adabi kardan tohin kardan tabligh kardan accounteshoun baste shode, va dar vaghe faghat emkane baste shodane account ro shoma azin tarigh maghdoor kardin
man yechizio tozih bedam, bara estefade az termhae dorost ke chizi mobham namone

masdood = ban
bastan = close
pak = delete

ke kasi inja na accountesh baste mishe na pak mishe

kasiam ke bi adabi karde, masoolinesh bahash barkhord kardan, tebghe policy

maye khejalat ham hast agar kasi baraye baste shodane accountesh tan be fahashi bede, khob hamontor ke goftam inja makani vaghei hastesh... hamejor adami ham peyda mishe

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in ghesmat ro aslan ghaboul nadaram!
1. arz kardam ke in emkan dar site azimi chon facebook vojoud dare, yani mifarmayin ke onja 200 nafar adam neshastan va account haro activate, deactivate ya reactivate mikonan?
2. ta onjayi ke man etelaa daram baraye register shodan ham bayad account activate beshe o in kar automatic anjam migire ke dige har forum koocholoo o alaki ham inkaro mikone, hala chera makoose in amal emkan pazir nist (ke sad albateh hast) man ke nemifahmam
1. in option fe`lan automatic nist, va bale bayad yeki bere done done javab bede

khob shod in noktaro goftin ta yechize digaram shafaf konam; inja bishtare karha dasti anjam mishe, fekr mikonin inhame memberi ke har rooz register mikonan va post mizanan va shoma post hashono mibinin automatic approve mishan? na

baraye security site va jolo giri ba spam har posti to PH aval moderate mishe va approval migire user

yani dar in had control hast

2. account bale confirm mishe ke register kardi, ama approve inke betone yeki post bezane bayad dasti anjam beshe. Persianhub ham site kochiki nist ke karash mesle har sitei bashe, be term migan BigBoard. va inja system bayad kheili chizha dasti bashe be dalile kamkardane load e site va daghightar boodan, ke yekish hamin moghabele ba spam va approve kardane userhae gheyre spam baraye post zadane

ke albate darim ro raveshae digei ham kar mikonim, ke bezoodi hameye inha dar sakhtari jadid hazer mishan

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faramoush nakon aziz ke internet va ingooneh forum ha mohite majazi boude o hast! doroste ke agar 2 nafar mayel be bar gharari ertebate shakhsi doosti kharej az internet va raft o amad dashte bashan mitounan inkaro anjam bedan, vali ghaleb va sakhtar e inja bayad tori bashe ke ejazeh nade har kasi be har etelaati ke bekhad dast peyda bekone!
bale hamintore ke ishon farmodan, ama amaar o tajrobe chiziro sabet mikone dar forum ke harchand khasiate forum tabadole etelat va afkare, dar in mian ETEMAD be ashkhasi ke mian va miran moheme... chera ke kheiliha tebghe amaar saate ziadi ro to in ja`m hastan, ke agar samimiate inja nabood aslan register nemikardan
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7khat fekr konam az lahaze rohi o ravani o manavi o ejtemae kamel tozih dad ke chera username ha delete nemishan, ye masale ke ja mond mozoye security has, bar farz passworde shoma ro yek farde mokharab be das miare hala az har raho raveshi, chand ta kar be zehne yek adame mokharab mirese vaghti passworde kasi ro be das miare ke niaz be tozihe hamashon nis az onjaye ham password swapping o sharing dar in site ghade ghan hast va emkane tashkhise in amal baraye admin haye site maghool hast dar natije tanha kari ke baghi mimone baraye azaro aziyat --> Delete kardane account e shomas :P

Hala momkene ke shoma begin mogheye registeration e-mail confirmation mikhan az shoma in dorost on shekli kasi nemitone ba e-mail e yeki dige account doros kone, vali vaghti passsworde shoma daste kase dige bashe emkane inke to profile e-mail ro avaz kone has, dar natije e-mail confirmation ferestadan baraye delete kardane account fayde nadare.

Bahse limited kardan ya invisible kardane account magholeye jodaye.
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