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Old 07-06-07, 15:03   #41 (permalink)
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I have never claimed everything in Zoroasterianism is scientific and completely true... no... maybe I disagree with half of it!

But instead of criticizing it you have to realize it's the most Iranian idealogy and it's the most harmless ... more importantly it's a gift from our ancestors. No matter what you say about it Filip...
Sorry to break the bubbles it is not even close to an Original Pure Persian ideology, you say Islam is for dirty Arabs? I say Zartoshtism is for Indian bollywood people.

I would like to see Persian as true freethinkers and not follower of some sort of supernatural Godly bullshit no matter what kind.

Persian philosophies - YES
Persian religion - NO

By the way you say it is Harmless? here is the harm that instead you looking at Zartosht words and teaching, and love, live and let live you see everyone else as traitors, dirty Arabs, Russian Marxist and Greek Bastards.

Lets look at it for just moment as true religion and of so you are a disgrace to the teachings of Zartosht. No my friend anything that is based on supernatural, improvable faith, is nothing but a total harm to human freedom and thought.
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You wanna stay ignorant... fine but I recommend you to do some more research because about 3/4 of what you know is inaccurate in this field
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I have never claimed everything in Zoroasterianism is scientific and completely true... no... maybe I disagree with half of it!

But instead of criticizing it you have to realize it's the most Iranian idealogy and it's the most harmless... more importantly it's a gift from our ancestors. No matter what you say about it Filip...

I'm a nationalist... not just that, I'm a patriot and I salute my history and what belonged to us... Now 4000 years ago people thought of something stupid... so what... human's brain is evolving Filip...

Comparing what we had, and what we thought of 5000 years ago vs. other civilizations you will realize what I'm telling you.
Sorry Koorosh jan I am a globalist and a freethinker. Usually people like me are proud of their own accomplishment and not their father and ancestors and we usually take responsibility in our own mistakes. Comparing that Zartosht was ahead of his time, I must say you are way behind of your time. You see Zartosht teaching was meant to a world way smaller than todays world. While Cyrus brought tribal unity, today we must look into global unity and the first step is to take differences away in this case religion has played a big role to divide the people around the world.

So sorry if I am not a Nationalist and a traitor to my own ancestor but I prefer to live in the future and not the past. I live for my children and grandchildren and not for my dead ancestors.
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You wanna stay ignorant... fine but I recommend you to do some more research because about 3/4 of what you know is inaccurate in this field
Ignorant? You are telling me that you believe there is a God called Ahura Mazda that is a he, and he had a meeting at the beginning of Earthly creation and then he created everything with the help of the other evil God and he told this to a men named Zartosht but you are not sure when did he even lived. You have no evidence of its true and cannot even prove that Ahura Mazda is even a real entity and if any Iranian born human doesn't accept / believe this is a traitor to his country and land.

And you are calling me Ignorant?
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if you say 2+2=4 it still holds true no matter what century it is.

When philosopher Zarathustra tell you, you will experience the ultimate satisfaction in life by following good thoughts, good words, good deeds then doesnt matter it's 21st century or not...

His teachings were all based on not letting the earth, water sources, lands be polluted...

Yes the whole package is out of date I accept that... but it's the foundation that remains true which is timeless.

I believe that we should build on that foundation. that's all and I know I'm right to say that for my country... it's a duty
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You wanna stay ignorant... fine but I recommend you to do some more research because about 3/4 of what you know is inaccurate in this field
Ignorant? You are telling me that you believe there is a God called Ahura Mazda that is a he, and he had a meeting at the beginning of Earthly creation and then he created everything with the help of the other evil God and he told this to a men named Zartosht but you are not sure when did he even lived. You have no evidence of its true and cannot even prove that Ahura Mazda is even a real entity and if any Iranian born human doesn't accept / believe this is a traitor to his country and land.

And you are calling me Ignorant?
avoiding gaining knowledge by claiming it's indian back n forth for 4 times- yea it's nothing but ignorance.
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Koorosh, I live my live according to what is right and wrong. What is acceptable in my society and what is not. I fight injustice and discrimination. Good words, good deeds, good thoughts and good acts is my believe. Live and let live. I believed in this system before I even know who Zartosht even was. While I don't need Zartosht to live a righteous live I believe no one else need it either. you see if put Zartosh aside, me and you are one step closer to live peacefully side by side. Lets put Islam away, then Soushi and Hampyale can join and soon or later we all live peacefully together.

So my last thought on this is that we must abolish any ideology that is based on improvable supernatural being. And here is important note, you cannot pick and chose what to believe and what not. A Muslims is not a Muslim when he drinks at weekends and prays 5 time.

So even Zartosh teaching has good and bad teaching.

Just walk thru live with open arms, ears, eyes and you will have peaceful life.
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You wanna stay ignorant... fine but I recommend you to do some more research because about 3/4 of what you know is inaccurate in this field
Ignorant? You are telling me that you believe there is a God called Ahura Mazda that is a he, and he had a meeting at the beginning of Earthly creation and then he created everything with the help of the other evil God and he told this to a men named Zartosht but you are not sure when did he even lived. You have no evidence of its true and cannot even prove that Ahura Mazda is even a real entity and if any Iranian born human doesn't accept / believe this is a traitor to his country and land.

And you are calling me Ignorant?
avoiding gaining knowledge by claiming it's indian back n forth for 4 times- yea it's nothing but ignorance.
And you are telling me that you have studied, lived and loved Islam with all your heart?

Come on buddy don't kid me around !!!
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zende bad zartosht

man fekr mikonam tamame moshkelate iran az onjai shoro shod ke dine eslam pazirofte shod ..albate man nemigam dine eslam bade ama man fekr mikonam melate iran barashon kheli behtar bood agar dine zartoshti ro negah midashtand ..chon janbe dine eslamro nadarand az onjai ke dine eslam kheli dine jedi hast va ultimate ro mikhad va az onjai ke melate ma to hame chiz ziade ravi mikonand baham jor dar nemian ama ye dini mesle zartsoh ke bishtar temprance dare baraye melate ma khb bood ke dar hade vasat negaheshon dare ..irania bekhatere dine eslam az balans kharej shodan ..va hala bia o dorostesh kon... .chenin goft zartoshte ma raftare nik goftare nik pendare nik ..in asle matlaeb ..the rest is just nonsens
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RE: zende bad zartosht

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man fekr mikonam tamame moshkelate iran az onjai shoro shod ke dine eslam pazirofte shod ..albate man nemigam dine eslam bade ama man fekr mikonam melate iran barashon kheli behtar bood agar dine zartoshti ro negah midashtand ..chon janbe dine eslamro nadarand az onjai ke dine eslam kheli dine jedi hast va ultimate ro mikhad va az onjai ke melate ma to hame chiz ziade ravi mikonand baham jor dar nemian ama ye dini mesle zartsoh ke bishtar temprance dare baraye melate ma khb bood ke dar hade vasat negaheshon dare ..irania bekhatere dine eslam az balans kharej shodan ..va hala bia o dorostesh kon... .chenin goft zartoshte ma raftare nik goftare nik pendare nik ..in asle matlaeb ..the rest is just nonsens
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