Filip.S.

Indeed it is prove me wrong?

The argument that religion by itself is good but people are bad is an old and cheap argument. Any intelligent person that has some sort of logic and reason can easily see the contradiction and misleading in any religion. Islam is a cheap copy of Bible and Torah, Muhammad was not a holy man he was at the right time and right place.

Question arises so why his religion became so widely spread. Well not everyone that goes to Las Vegas is a looser ones a while there are winners too. The world had always preachers and self claimed prophet majority of them are not even remembered beyond their dead however few of them are some disappear not long after their dead and some may have follower for short time before they are forgotten.

So why did Muhammad survived because one think he did was united the tribes mainly with killing their leaders and becoming the leader of that tribe this gave him strength and power. If you know the history of Muhammd you know that by enteing Mecca he ordered to obey the Jewish laws and customs ones he ecame powefull he decided otherswise. This is the reason why Quran is so contradicting. Muhammad made up sura based on his need and benefit. Don't even underestimate the power of Bullshit. If bullshit package right it can sell. So is Islam package rightly in a right time it was a good commodity. That even after the dead of Muhammad it was worth keeping it alive to gain more power and wealth.

So in today’s world you can clearly see; 'tell a men go kill yourself for your country he laugh at you but tell him kill yourself for God and you will be rewarded he does it'.

Since human are the result of evolution their brain has not evolved into a superior stage yet so superstition, fairytales and Jinin's are still an acceptable explanation to many unknown answers. This does not prove that God exist it just proves how primitive human mind still is.

Unfortunately this primitive mind is the source of many current and past crimes and ongoing wars. So looking at it closer there is nothing holy or good in religion beside it keeps the dumb people occupied.

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Ehsan Z.

don't get me wrong, I'm not against the idea but your explanation does not prove that religion is the root of all evil but it proves that its just a tool, good or bad, a tool

religion might be the strongest tool at the moment, it has been in the past as well, but in future for sure there will be a replacement

by the way your 'evolution' theory is nothing but a myth like the stories in religions, not everyone who does not believe in religions will accept that monkeys were their ancestors... (rant)

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Filip.S.

Ehsan Z. you lost me when you made this comment "monkeys were their ancestors..." if you had basic knowledge and understanding about evolution you would know that monkey and human share a common ancestor but human are not monkeys’.

You see here is exactly the problem people such as your self you have heard some where sometime the word evolution and monkey and human and without any future investigation you assume you know what you are talking.

Let me explain it to you they way I did to my 9 years old son.

Coca Cola and 7up are both liquids, they both share the same main substance and that is Water/H2O. However they are two different drinks. They taste different, there colors are different and the amount of substances in it are mixed different. Yet they share same similar substance, Water, Sugar, Corn Syrup etc ...

It is the simple minded man that cannot understand this simple concept and the wish to be the chose animal or the special one has created the idea that man is different from every other living animal; without taking in consideration that chimps and human share 99% DNA.

Now to your comment of evolution as myth, if you haven't figured out by now that the evidence FOR evolution is so overwhelming that even many major religions and churches cannot deny it accuracy and they have adopted a new idea that indeed evolution is fact but God is behind it, in this case I do not have the time to teach you about the evidence and poof of evolution something you should it learned it in 8 grad.

By the way Atheists around the world share two common idea no matter what part of the world they live in 1. There is not God 2. Evolution is a fact

I wish religious people could at least agree on one God but they Can’t.

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Ehsan Z.

I'm an agnostic, don't expect me to agree on everything you say : )
what bugs me the most is that atheists like yourself are sure of everything even more than religious people

by the way I know the monkey story, it was a joke buddy

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Filip.S.

Ehsan jan, the beauty about Atheist like me is that we don't know shit, however we don't allow our self to make up stories to justify our belief. What we do is looking at things with reason, logic and scientific evidence. If there is not scientific explanation today we know eventually we will have it.

Agnostics are just a step behind Atheism, I believe agnostic know in their heart there are atheist but they are afraid of WHAT IF. Trust me even as Muslim, Christian, Jew there question WHAT IF is a very valid question.

What if Christians are right?
What if Muslims are right?
What if Jews are right?
What if Mormons are right?

Believe in God and religion is gambling you are not 100% sure you we will you just hope to be right !

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Ehsan Z.

well that's not my interpretation of agnosticism, at least what you are saying does not apply to me. as I said previously, IMO religion is just a tool which can actually help some people, however as an agnostic I do not see them as some holy things and I'm sure of that, but who or how this world has been created, there is a creator or not, I don't know and I don't support any theory at the moment such as human evolution, big bang etc...

what keeps me away from being an atheist(denying creator) is the beauty in this world, and what makes me an agnostic is the stupidity/slavery in whole idea of religion and some other issues in regards to the creator (if there is one) which ATM can only be justified by believing in one of the religions which I can not

the funny side of the story is that many people choose to call us ignorant lol

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Filip.S.

Ehsan beauty is in the eye of the beholder,

It of course looking at sunset by the beach is beautiful but this does not mean a creator is behind it. If creator is behind beauty who is behind ugly?

My question to you would be why can't you enjoy the side of all the beauty without assuming a creator to be part of it?

On the other hand I look at all this and everything and I for myself can clearly see the process and progress of evolution. I suggest to you spend some time on evolution go into deep and you will learn and recognize many new ideas.

You said that religion as tool helped many; well we can also say that opium did also help many people to not feel pain but at the end it made them addicted and not heal. Religion doesn't bring you peace it gives you the illusion of it.

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Ferdos

i don't believe in religions, because i believe religions were made to tell us that we as human are stupid, insignificant and can't talk to the "source" by ourselves, and therefore we need someone or some holly institutions(as middlemen) to connect us to our "source". hence religions were established, like a corporation. but when it comes to "source", i completely separate the religion from the "source", and i will try to find the source without finding a need for a religion.

evolution is fine and i have nothing against its concept. but even the evolution have happened because some thing, or some power(be it energy, god or whatever) must have been behind it and made it happen.

bebin; chon in donyaaye maa vojood daare, pass saazandehee ham baayad vojood daashte baashe. be nazare man khode in fekr elmi hast, ya'ni az yek zehniyati bar khaasteh, ye zehniate maalikhooliaee nist. bar farze mesaal: in zehniate elmi mitoone begge ke in eynak dar daste man yek eynake. pass in eynak, yek saazandeh daare.

pass in chegoone misheh?

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Ehsan Z.

Filip,

By saying beautiful I actually meant intelligence, and what I really meant was that the idea of 'this whole world has been created accidentally' or 'created by some accidental event' is not convincing enough for me, at the same time the idea of 'some super natural power made these things' sounds weird to me

And it is of course possible to enjoy the life without even thinking about these things, calling ourselves members of any particular religion our family chose for us and continue living with it (without actually acting like how we are suppose to act as stated in our religion like the majority out there) but that's what I call ignorance

I totally agree with you in regards to religion being an addictive Illusional thing but I think it can also heal the weak mind if it's in a controlled environment, like the Christianity in western countries. We have seen the "uncontrolled/negatively modified" version in middle ages of Europe and continue seeing it in many countries today like in our homeland

Improving people's mind is not an easy task and is very much time consuming, you'll need to pass ages, and during this time banning religion or trying to treat religious people as patients is not a good idea I guess, you wouldn't want to turn the process backward afterall

At the moment, for me, trying to understand the evolution process or other theories is not feasible, it's not an easy subject and is very time consuming tricky process thus I prefer to actually play the dumb here and let physicians, intellectuals do the job and when they come to a conclusion, if it will affect my life in anyway I'll do my best to try and understand it but if it will not then I'll enjoy watching the debates between religious dudes and intellectuals, I know that sounds a bit dumb and ignorant way of thinking but I answered this question with full honesty

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Filip.S.

Ehsan what you are saying is exactly what Communists, and Tyrants say. People cannot think for them self so let think for them. You quote: "I think it can also heal the weak mind if it's in a controlled environment". Wrong

Give the humanity the chance and they prove that they have moral and good judgment naturally. Indeed if humans had not such natural moral they would follow Quran and Bible and Torah exactly word by word and in this case we would be still in Dark ages.

This is exactly the prove that humans in depended from their religious teaching make judgments and decision based on their society.

I do agree that it will take some times for the humanity to grow toward a free minded society but the step has been already taken. Religion is losing ground, God is not the main focus of man and Atheism/Science is holding its ground.

On the subject of beauty again I must say if you study evolution and the big bang theory you can clearly see the process and progress and you will understand that beauty can happened without creator.

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