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Old 23-06-08, 23:26   #1 (permalink)
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~~Zan Da Islam~~

in yeki az hezaran moredi hast ke roozane etefagh miofte... mard mitone 4 ta zan begire..hagh dare harja delesh mikhad bere... baharki mikhad bashe... va haghe ejtemie bishtari dare..azadie bayan dare va haghe amal...



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hichi... yek vasile baraye khosh halie mard...(dar Islam)


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Old 24-06-08, 16:15   #2 (permalink)
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You sound explodingly angry. The video does not show what the story is behind the abuse, whether it is a pimp hitting the prostitue because the other woman was also pulling her so I would say she was part of it and why was the woman not running away if she was in real distress in a street. It could be the man's sister and she could be on drugs and he is trying to stop her. Anyway whatever the reason the abuse is not acceptable.

The point you were trying to make, which I think did not portray in the video is that men in Islam can have 4 wives and women can not and have no rights. Well it is not Islam but the interpretation of what the law of Islam says. I am not a fanatic but I am a muslim and know the rules, how far they are used or abused is up to the individual person, same as any other religion. I read the other day about a man jailing his own daughter in the cellar and having 6 children by her whilst his wife was living upstairs with some of the children and the rest were living underground with her. How does that sound right? There are many men in Iran and west who abuse a relationship and despite having one wife sleep with many women and lie to all of them and there are those who are faithful to one. How does a man sleeping with prostitutes and other women without marrying them makes a difference with them getting married to the same man? The only difference I see is security in terms of finances and more rights in terms of having children etc.

What I understand from the law of 4 wives it was brought in at a time of war and the man has to get permission from the first wife. The reasons are usually if a woman can not satisfy the man in bed, perhaps she is passed a certain age or has a medical problem, if the woman can not get pregnant and the man wants children or the woman does not want to have children. Another reason could be the man is rich enough and can afford to look after more than one woman separately and must be fair to both in terms of sex and money etc. There are some women their men have died in war etc. or have been left with a child and live in a country like Iran where most women don't work and she needs to support her life, she either has to work, be a prostitue or marry, which one would you choose. Anyway I don't usually get involved in these discussions but think people need to be a bit clearer about their facts before going in head first. Iran has not done any favours to Islam by their excessive behaviour and have made a bad name for Islam and put a lot of people off by their stupidity.

Anyway I hope you will write about a more cheery topic, see U there.
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Old 24-06-08, 19:48   #3 (permalink)
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jalebe vasam ke shoma khodet yek dokhtar hasti va baz ham defa mikoni az chizi ke mibini..

manzoore man in nist ke islam bade va dine khobi nist.. na aslan...

man eslam ro ghabol daram va hazrate mohamad payambare khoda bod...

ama manzoore man eslame emrooze... eslami ke be daste ensanha avaz shod tahrif shod va be in shekl dar omad....

mesle dine moosa va isa ke dine pakio haghighato barabari bod va bad didim ke be chi tabdil shod be daste peyrovanesh....

pas moshkele ma din nist... moshkele ma gozashte zaman va tahrif shodane kalame khoda va khorafati shodane peyrovane din hast...



doste man are rahat mishe goft could be could be...shayad intor bode bashe shayad ontor...

ama yek mard nabayad dast ro ye zan boland kone.. hala har etefaghi oftade bashe... che ba yeki dige khabide bashe che mashroob khorde bashe va har kare digei....

mard va zan doroste ke barabar hastand ama halate physicie zan zaif tar az mard hast...

onke shoma migi to khonash dokhtaresho zendani mikone va 40 sal be in menval migzarone.. yek morede ama dar donyaye arab va eslam chi? rozi yek mored? haar rooz bayad yek sahneye vahshat nak az khoshoonate mosalmonhaye efrati va khodafati bebinim? ke chetor zan ro mikoshand mizanand va azab midan...?!

dar arabestan zan hata hagh nadare az khonash bedone ejazeye shoharesh bere biron.. hala chetor in mosavat va barabarie?

kojaye ghoran ino gofte? ke zan nabayd hata sorato dasto angoshtash poshide bashe?

gofte hejab ama na intor...

kojaye eslam gofte zan nabayad ranandegi kone? nabayad be cheshme gharibe negah kone,, nabayad bedone ejazeye shohar az khone bere biron kari bokone...?!

shoma ayeye ghorani biar man ghabol mikonam....

omidvaram ke ayei ham monde bashe ke tahrif nashode bashe...

mersi...
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Old 24-06-08, 22:15   #4 (permalink)
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shaki nist ke zan traditionally dar islam yek property va haghe mard be hesaab miaad.
stepping into the 21th century has not really changed the mind set of "believers" in that respect. men in islam( the "believers") still believe woman is just a property, slightly higher in value than his other properties.

Wife Beating In Islam

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Old 25-06-08, 00:36   #5 (permalink)
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oh lol, i had a typing mistake; it should be "prophet" not proohet
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Old 25-06-08, 00:39   #6 (permalink)
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ferdos, dont think what you said about womens rights in islam is true; if you read the real islam, you will see that everyone has the same rights as evryone else in islam. go to A Brief Illustrated Guide To Understanding Islam, Muslims, and the Quran to read what prophet mohammad and god says about womens rights, not a stupid person who does not know anything about islam
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شهیدان ، پیچیده در گوش زمان فریادتان
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Old 25-06-08, 04:20   #7 (permalink)
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jalebe vasam ke shoma khodet yek dokhtar hasti va baz ham defa mikoni az chizi ke mibini..



ama yek mard nabayad dast ro ye zan boland kone.. hala har etefaghi oftade bashe... che ba yeki dige khabide bashe che mashroob khorde bashe va har kare digei....

mard va zan doroste ke barabar hastand ama halate physicie zan zaif tar az mard hast...

onke shoma migi to khonash dokhtaresho zendani mikone va 40 sal be in menval migzarone.. yek morede ama dar donyaye arab va eslam chi? rozi yek mored? haar rooz bayad yek sahneye vahshat nak az khoshoonate mosalmonhaye efrati va khodafati bebinim? ke chetor zan ro mikoshand mizanand va azab midan...?!

gofte hejab ama na intor...

kojaye eslam gofte zan nabayad ranandegi kone?

mersi...
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Blue sky harfe man ham hamineh ke be esme din kheili karha mishe nafaghat dar Iran va etefaghati ke too arabestan va Iran miofte taghsir din nist. Hamoontor ke goftam ba hich joor khoshoonat moafegh nistam, va khoda zaboon dadeh. Hejab manish in nist ke az sare pa ta nok anghost pooshide bashe, bazi vaghtha yek zani ro mibini ke negahesh gheyr az be marde khodesh nist vali zane bahejabi mibini ke az zir chadoresh hezarta kar mikone va fekr mikone chadoresh oono penhan mikone az gonah, ya shaya az nafs khodesh mitarse va be khodesh etemad nadare. Dar har soorat hich jaay eslam nagofteh zan ranandegi nakone, dobare bar migarde be adamha. Shenidam Iran eftezah shodeh va entezaresho dashtam, ke in tahmili ke dar morde hejab kardan baes shoden gay va lesbin ziad beshe ke in zede dine va kheili badtar az nadashtan hejabe. Be har hal ziad sakht nagir, donya do rooze va har kas taghas khodesho pas mide, man javabgooy kes dige nistam va to ham nisti.
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shaki nist ke zan traditionally dar islam yek property va haghe mard be hesaab miaad.
stepping into the 21th century has not really changed the mind set of "believers" in that respect. men in islam( the "believers") still believe woman is just a property, slightly higher in value than his other properties.

Wife Beating In Islam

Again it comes back to people being bullies regardless of their excuse i.e. religion or clothes, I know many muslim men who treat their women like slaves and a few who respect and live properly. Bullies of this world choose the right out fit that would help them satisfy their need of bullying someone, whether it is the wedding suit or aba amame or any other clothes.
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tamogheii ke haghe zanan nesfe haghe mardan bashe,
hamantor ke dar iran hast, hichvaght az barabari nemishe sohbat kard.
be aghidehe man bedoone inke bekhaham az yek din tarafdari konam hame in 3 dinha faghat be vasilehe mardha sakhteh shode va az mardha tarvij dadeh shodeh va ta anja ke mardha khastand haghe khodeshoon ra taiin karde va bar hasbe jav tarvij dadehand.
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