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Old 25-09-08, 06:49   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow the Bible confirms the Quran

In the name of Allah the most merciful, I begin.

Christian missionaries and apologists have been arguing that the Quran completely backs the present day Bible we have in our hands, this indeed is a very interesting false claim, but since they want to cling to this argument I thought I would actually turn the tables on them, showing that in fact it is their Bible which confirms the Quran!



Now if a Christian doesn’t agree and so on I say that’s too bad, I am going to be exactly like Christian missionaries and apologists.



With that said let us give the proof that the Bible does infact confirm the Quran, 1 John 4:1-6 reads:



Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, that you have heard is coming, and now is already in the world. You are from God, little children, and have conquered them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world’s perspective and the world listens to them. We are from God; the person who knows God listens to us, but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.” 1 John 4:1-6So notice the Bible says that anyone who confesses that Jesus is the Christ is from God, that they are a good person, not a false satanic anti-Christ. Well let us read what the Quran says:



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YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;


The Quran calls Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, hence according to the Bible the Quran must be of God since it confirms that Jesus is the Christ! Hence as you can see according to the Bible the Quran must be from God, and its followers are also on the path of following the true message since we Muslims affirm that Jesus is indeed the Messiah.



So therefore Christians must stop attacking the Quran, to do so means they reject their Bible and are attacking a book and people that their own Bible praises! Hence Christians who attack the Quran are in fact soldiers of the anti-Christ since they are attacking a book and people who bear witness that Jesus is indeed the Christ, Christians attack this hence this means they are the opposite of this hence making them the anti-Christ’s army!



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Thank you Hope, for the interesting thread . . .

Just to point out a couple of issues:

Quote: Originally Posted by Hopee View Post

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, that you have heard is coming, and now is already in the world. You are from God, little children, and have conquered them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world’s perspective and the world listens to them. We are from God; the person who knows God listens to us, but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.” 1 John 4:1-6

Christ could mean 2 things :

1- God

2- Messiah (Which is close to what we believe -> "Masih")


If we take the first meaning, then it would surely not relate to the Holy Qur'an:

It would mean, " . . . Jesus as the Christ(God) who has come in the flesh . . ."

This part we dont agree with, like you clearly quoted from the holy Qur'an:

"...his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary (Not God)..." [3,45]


The second meaning though, can be argued. If we take the literal meaning it is the same:

Judaism -> The Anointed (King) From "Mashiha" in aramaic meaning King/Sacred They used to smear a Sacred Oil on the ones who become King
Christianity -> The Anointed (One -famous as the Saviour-)
Islam -> The Anointed (One, -known as the Prophet of Allah-)

But Christians usually dont take the literal meaning, its either God in the form of flesh or one who suffers for everyones sins.

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Im not sure if the Bible confirms the Holy Qur'an (The Book) or not, but im certain that there are instances where the next prophet i.e. Prophet Mohammad (S.) is mentioned (despite the distortion of the true Injil -as we muslims believe-):

There are many websites that have covered this field:

Br. Ahmed Deedat (Nice Analysis and Presentation)
Br. Zakir Naik
Br. Jamal Badawi
Bible verses about Prophet Muhammad (www.islaam.org.uk)



All this aside in the verse from John, there is a Pretty bad mistake:

"...but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist..."

Which = Every Spirit that does Confess Jesus is from God, is the AntiChrist

Its like:
I dont want what I dont need = I want what I need


Just one example of the numerous mistakes in the Current Bible(s).
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Gr8 post but to the person that posted dr zair naiks website as a reply he is not valid he seems to think yazid was a "great leader" and also says "may khoda be pleased with him" every time he mentions his name....
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oh yes the bible confirms the quran and all confirm the torat...
yeah right this is the ultimate prove that god exists ash hatu bla bla...

so much disorder and shit in the world and you still talk about perverted hatred ideologies like islam and christianity or other stuff...

baba get the fact that there is not even the smallest hint or evidence that anything like the ridiculous idea of god exists and you take it for proved...

with this kind of thinking this shit theocratic law of islamic republic is what iranians deserve...

use your own brain and see how easily god and religion disappear like an illusion...see the facts religion is hate and decadency
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Gr8 post but to the person that posted dr zair naiks website as a reply he is not valid he seems to think yazid was a "great leader" and also says "may khoda be pleased with him" every time he mentions his name....
Really ??!!!

I wasn't aware of that !

Thank you for pointing that out.

I'm not a fan of Dr. Zair (definitely NOT, after this), But his argument on this issue seems legit. He has referenced his claims accordingly.

I guess the only thing left to say is:
Faghat Khoda hamamuno hedayat kone . . .
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Bible is the biggest Hoax and Man made Myth ever created.

Jesus christ ?? Who?


Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.

Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.

Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.


Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.

Bible contradictions are so many that even Christian scholars don't deny it. Quran is a cheap copy of bible and torah, Of by the way Jesus supposedly told to his apostles that "the end of the day will come in your life and you shall be with me ones more" and that was 2000 years ago, Supposedly


Get educated first leave islam and open your eyes

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