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ramin29

Last Breath

Yek nokte ro yadavar besham baraye dustan (gharare religious section dobare daagh beshe, nemishe chizi nagoft) . . .

Varede bazi edde'ahaa nemisham chon Offtopic mishe, vali har kasi har chizi ro raaje' be Qor'an monker beshe, zibaai va janbeye adabiyate Qor'an ro nemitune enkaar kone. Estefaade az anvaa'e san'ate adabi va balaaghat.

Az manzare tarikh (na din), Hazrate Mohammad savaade khandan va neveshtan nadashtan. Ahadi az movarrekhan (che Mosalmun che gheire Mosalmun) Modda'aa nashodan ke payambar dar dorane javaani va kudaki pishe kasi khundan ya neveshtan yad gerefte bashan, ya hatta naghl nashode ke yek kalame khunde ya neveshte baashan !!

Jaalebe, vaghti ke -be aghideye ma mosalmunha- Qor'an vahi mishod va payambar baraye mardom migoftan, HAR EDDE'AAY ke bud be ishun zadan. Az saaher gerefte ta ettehame ja'l va Copy az ketaabhaye digaran. Vali HICH kas nagoft ke Savaad dare va az khodesh dare mige !!! Agar az mokhalefin kasi dar un zaman yek sare suzan ehtemal midadan ke savad dashtan, SHAK NAKONID ke migoftan.

Hala chenin shakhsi chetor mituneste khodesh inha ro gofte bashe, ya tebghe "fahme zamani va makaniye khod" shansi inchenin morattab va monazzam ba re'aayate ghavanine adabi shekl gerefte bashe ??!

Kheili ba'id be nazar mirese . . . Magar inke kasi eddea kone ke ishun savad dashtan, ke unvaght bayad did be chi estenaad mishe.

Some References:
Gustav Lobon (Islam and Arabs)
Thomas Carlyl (Hero as a Prophet)
John DAvenport (An Apology for Mohammad and the Koran)
William James Durant (The Story of Civilization)

ramin29

kheili az shaera sher hayi migan ke besiar zibast va savade khundano neveshtan ham nadashtan, dashtane savad sharte lazem baraye sher goftan nist ke baradar. zemnan payambar ba tavajoh be tajrobiat va moshaverehayi ke dashtan az aghlabe afradi ke piramooneshun budan ba savad tar budan.
reference hayi ke shoma dadin aval bayad sabet konan tu makke madreseyi bude bad eddea konan chon payambar be un madrese narafte bi savad bude.

Last Breath

Harfe shoma kaamelan doroste, vali man ham serfe sher goftan ro melak gharar nadadam. Zibaai yek chize subjective hast. Sheri mitune be nazare man ziba bashe vali be nazare shoma kaamelan mokhalef in bashe.
Be khatere hamin man faghat zibaaie "sher" ro nemigam, balke Adabi budane "sher" hast. In do kheili fargh daran.

Shoma ba savad budan ro be moshavere khub budan midunid ? Savadi ke man migam khaandan va neveshtan hast. "Tajrobe" va kherad bedune dashtane savad mahal nist. Che basaa kheiliha budan ke savad nadashtan amma az nazare akhlagh va fahm va tajrobe, be maraateb bishtar va behtar az afrade ba savad budan.

Be nazare shoma unzamaan organi be onvane madrese bude (yani kaare madrese ro be surate omumi anjam bede) ?? Man fekr nakonam.
Mardome Arab (unham dar mantagheye Hejaaz), dar un zaman be tore kolli bi savad budan. Tedaade kheili kami budan ke savad dashtan. Aadatan momken nist ke shakhsi dar un mohit in fan ro amukhte bashe (be har shekli) vali be in sefat maruf nashode bashe. Khosusan shakhsiyati ke inghadr ruye mardom asar dashte!

Kholase soal ine ke:
Agar payambar ba savad budan, chetor movarrekhin in matlabe mohem ro naghl nakardan ?

Az nazare manteghi ham jur dar nemiyad:
Chetor doshmanaane payambar az in selaahe arzeshmand -yani baa savad budan- bar zedde payambar estefade nakardand ??
Agar vaghean ba savaad budan, mokhalefin kaafi bud began ke payambar baa savaade va bekhatere hamin az khodesh mige! Amma chenin chizi aslan gofte nashode...

ramin29

Salam bar shoma,

Man ham ettefaghan zibayie sher ro migam va kamel budanesh az nazare sanaye'e adabi. Sher ha mamoolan az nazare adabi bedune naghs ya kheili kam naghs hastan, zemnan bayad tavajoh dasht ke unche dar nasr irade adabi be hesab miad, dar nazm lozuman irad nist balke sabk ya zibayie sher hesab mishe (masalan jabejayie fe'el va fael). dar hamin ghoran ham chenin mavaredi kam nistan va jaleb injast ke odabaye arab motaghedan agar dar jayi ghoran bed'ate adabi gozashte bayad un bed'at ro sahih shomord va na inke fekr kard ghoran irade adabi dashte!


Savad mitune faghat khundano neveshtan bashe va mitune danesh bashe. Harchand ahadis va gharinehayi dar ghoran vojud daran ke neshun midan payambar haddeaghal kami khundan va neveshtan midunestan, vali in masale ertebati ba goftane sokhanane ziba peida nemikone, danestan va tajrobe dashtan dar in mored bishtar be guyande komak mikone ta khundan va neveshtan.


Na, ettefaghan manzoore manam hamin bud ke dar un zaman madreseyi nabude ke bekhaim begim unja naraftan pas savad nadaran. tarikhe neveshte shodeye eslam ro ham shoma behtar az man midunid ke cheghadr gheire ghabele estenade. chizi ke inja jalebe va az nazare man roshan konandeye vagheyate ine ke mosalmuna aghide daran payambar bad az besat va be soorate mojezeye elahi ba savad shodan! (avalin ayeyi ke be ishun nazel shod neshun mide ke ghodrate khundan be payambar hamun shab e'eta shode). hatta age in ham dorost bashe baz ham be zarare shomast jenabe lastbreath, chon payambar ghoran ro bad az inke ba savad shodan goftan banabar in nemitunid begid ghoran ro farde bisavadi gofte!!

hala bayad begim soale asli ine: ghoran zibayie adabi dare, shayad dar hadde kheili balayi, payambar ham dar zamane goftane ghoran ba savad budan, che dalili vojud dare ke payambar natuneste bashan khodeshun ghoran ro az khodeshun avorde bashan?

Last Breath

Salaam duste gerami,

In ro dar nazar dashte bashid ke sherhai ke morede bahs hast, unhay hastan ke az shakhse bi savad (kasi ke khandan va neveshtan balad nist) gofte mishan. Manzure man ine ke chenin shakhsi mahaale ke betune sheri bege ke az nazare Adabiye Serf Sahih bashe. Adabiyati ke dar nazar hast, A'amme az emla va dasture zaban hast. Matne 2 sher ro (1 sher az farde ba savad va digari az fare bisavad) moghayese konid, kheili vazeh hast.

Bale, manzure man az savad faghat Khandan va neveshtan hast na danesh.
Agar betunid mavaredesh ro biyarid, kheili be bahs komak mikone.
Harfe shoma doroste, vali bahs sare in nist ke bebinim che factori ruye mardom asare bishtar dare! Balke dar morede Savad dashtane payambar hast.

Ravande bahs:

1- Qor'an matne Adabi va Belaaghi hast (na faghat shere ziba).
2- Leza, agar az shakhsi baashad, u BAYAD savad dashte bashad. (Savad: khandan va neveshtan)

Morede bahs: Aya payambar savad darad ?

Bebinid, shoma tarighe aamukhtan ro mahdud kardid be madrese. Dar surati ke intor nist. Har kasi ke savad dare, az khodesh ke nadare. Bayad az kasi gerefte bashe. Movarrekhin sanadi ro nadarand az inke payambar pishe kasi in fan ro amukhte bashan. Ya hatta kalamei ro neveshte bashan. Ya inke u ro be onvane shakhsi ke savad dare duneste bashan. Unzaman az bas aadame ba savad kam bude ke unhay ke savad dashtan, ma'ruf budan va esmeshun dar tarikh umade. Afradi mesle: Sofyan ebne Omayye (amuye ebne sofyan) va abu gheys ebne abde manaf ebne zohre ke hardo pishe bashr ebne abdolmalek khundan va neveshtan amukhtand. Amr ebne zorare (ma'ruf be amre kaateb) az Bashr amukht. Shefa dokhtare Abdollah ebne Adavi ke be Hafse neveshtan yad dad. Chand nafare dige ham naghl shodan . . . Dar surati ke masalan Amaanat dariye payambar ro Hame goftan ! Yani momkene ke savad ham dashte bashan vali hich kas nagofte bashe ? Fekr nakonam.

Nemishe goft, chon nemitavan be taarikh 100% estenaad kard pas bayad velesh kard. Doroste ke mavaaredi hastan ke be dalayeli chon za'fe sanad ya nadashtane rovate motabar mardud mishan. Vali dar eyne hal mavaredi hastan ke saabet shode hastan va nemishe chesh pushi kard azashun.

Dar bareye ba savad shodane payambar dar zamane vahi, estenad kardid be aayeye Avvale sureye Alagh. Bayad begam ke in delaalate bar ba savad budane payambar nadare. Avval beyek mozu eshare konam bad agar khastid tozih midam. Bahse ma darbareye esbate ya radde in mozu hast ke: Qor'an tavasote payambar (az khodash) gofte shode, ya dar mavaredi nazareshun dakhil bude.
Agar estenaade be Qor'an ro ghabul darid, khodetun dar poste avvaletun goftid, dar Qor'an mavarede ziyadi hast ke in matlab ro rad mikone.
Dar bareye serfe Savad dashtane Payambar, dar Ayaate digar Ommi budane u be seraahat zekr shode: 156 va 157 A'raaf - 48 Ankabut - 54 Shoraa ...
Ba dar nazar dashtane in mataaleb, agar hanuz ghane nashodid, begid ta aayeye sureye Alagh ro tozih bedam.

Zud natijegiri kardid!
Avval saabet beshe ke payambar ba savad budand, bad darbareye soaletun bahs konim . . .

ramin29

Besiar khob jenabe lastbreath,

mavarede ghabele irad dar poste shoma ziad hastan, vali baraye harz naraftane bahs bezarin aval bedunim az nazare shoma be onvane mosalman, aya payambar dar zamani ke ayate ghoran ro migoftan savade khandan va neveshtan dashtan ya na?

Last Breath

Be nazare man, dar bareye ghabl az resaalat ke ghate'ane migam na savade khandan va na neveshtan dashtan.
Dar dorane resalat, unche ke mosallam hast ine ke naneveshtan, amma dar bareye khandan yeki do mored didam ke naghl shode vali kheili nemishe ruye un hesaab baz kard. Chera ke dalil bar zeddesh kheili bishtar hast.

Khoshal misham 'iradha' ro dar poste ghabli begid, ta moze'e shoma ham moshakhas beshe...

PersianFire

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ba tashakor az shoma ke say darid to bahs sherkat konid va ba mantegh javab bedim be soalat na ba ehsas.

dooste aziz, aval inke ghoran araby hast va be farsi nist, casy ke farsi zaban hast chetroy mitoone balaghato shivaee ke shoma migyo befahme?

in hame shaer be zabane farsi darim, mishe shereshoonro be araby tarjome card?

dovom inke sorehaye joze 30om ghoran ziba hastand, ghafie daran, soreye hamdam hamintor, ama kheily az sorehaye ghoran ghafie be on soorat nadaran,(shayadam be ghole shoma fesahato , sanaye adaby daran, ama man ke arab zaban nistam nemitoonam befahmam)


sevom inke, farz konim hazrate musa(a.s) daryaro shekaftan, aya in dalil mishe ke mardom be khoda iman biaran? man shakhsan dalile aghlio be mojezehaye intory tarjih midam, 2*2=4 in chizi hast ke hame mitoonan dark konan, ama inke kasy biad ye care ajibi anjam bede, neshoon dahandeye in hast ke ye ghodraty az on fard hemayat mikone, ama neshan dahandeye in nist ke on ghodrat nashy az khodaye afaridegar hast, nemidoonam harfamo resoondam ya na.

va dar akhar inke, hame midoonan zate niki chi hast, va inke ghoran az janebe khodavande tavana bashe, va ya daryafthaye shakhsie payambar(s.a) az alame gheyb bashe, zate nikio avaz nemikone.

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