ghoran wa eslam tanha baraye tazi

effat27 · 03-01-09, 15:45

soore43 alzokhrof, aye3

انا جعلناه قرآنا عربیا لعلکم تعقلون

ma anra ghorani arabi gharar dadim bashad ke bi'andishid!!

wa ya

soore14, ebrahim
aye4

وما ارسلنا من رسول الا بلسان قومه لیبین لهم فیضل الله من یشاء ویهدی من یشاء وهو العزیز الحکیم

wa ma hich peymbarira joz be zabane ghomash naferestadim ta baraye anan bayan konad pas allah harke ra bekhahad birah migozarad wa harke ra bekhahad hedayat mikonad wa oost arjomande hakim

natije inke peyambar wa ketabash barye ma IRANI-ha bayad PARSI-zaban bashad

Last Breath · 04-01-09, 08:45

Bah Bah, che ajab!!

Intori bahs mikonan!

Ba dalil va madrak va mantegh!

Na mesle bahs-haye ghabl ...

Last Breath · 04-01-09, 08:52

Arastoo ke matalebesh ro be zabane Yunani neveshte, yani faghat baraye ahle yunane ??
Tebghe harfe shoma intor mishe ke; chon Ebne Sina ketbhash be arabiye pas bedarde ma nemikhore va baraye ma nist!

Khode aye javab dade! Natije fekr kardane!
Yani shoma ke mafhume aye ro fahmidid, Fekr konid! In ke dige niyaz be zaban nadare! Hadafe asli Fekr kardane.

Shoma vaghti mitunid in harf ro bezanid, ke mohtavaye in matne Arabi be HICH SHEKLE dige ghabele dark nabashe! Ke intor nist.

Janbeye eslamish;
Moghaddame:
Ma mosalmunha bavar darim ke usule e'teghade eslaam va haghayegh az ghabl az nozule ghor'an vojud dashtan.

Hala vaghti ke aye mige ghor'an be zabane arabi nazel shode, TA SHOMA fekr konid ... ruye Arabi budanesh tekye nashode!
Yani intor nist ke Chon arabiye, shoma fekr konid!
Balke; ma haghayegh ro be surate neveshtey ovordim ta shoma ba khandan, dar in haghayegh fekr konid.

Mesle ine:
Tuppi ovordam ke aabiye, ta ba ham bazi konim.
Bazi kardan bekhatere ovordane tuppe, na abi budan. (if that makes any sense..)

Alave bar hameye inha...
Ghor'an be har hal bayad be yek zabuni nazel mishod! Gheir az ine ??
Yani:
Agar be zabane farsi nazel mishod, bayad gheire fars e'teraz mikard?
Ya Agar be zabane engelisi nazel mishod, Gheire engelisi bikhiyalesh mishod?

Darbareye ayeye ba'di:
Unzaman dar marhaleye avval mokhatab Arabha budan, mesle alan nabud ke beshe be rahati vase hame tarjome kard!
Kheili vazehe ke baraye inke matlabi bekhad be jahaniyan berese avval bayad az marhaleye bumiye khodesh begzare!
Nemishod ke Qor'an beyne Arabha be zabane Faransavi ferestade beshe!

Ghor'an khodesh mige ke baraye hamegan hast!

38:87
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌ لِّلْعَالَمِينَ
این (قرآن) تذکری برای جهانیان است

21:107
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ
ما تو را جز رحمتی برای جهانیان نفرستاده ایم

Estefade az zabane yek ghowm gheir az estefade az farhange un ghowm hast.

Pas zaban chizi nist ke bekhad Ghor'an ro mahdud kone be ghowmi ya mellati... Ya inke payambari ahle jai bashe, dalil nemishe ke FAGHAT male unjast!

Vali agar estedlali dashte bashid ke intor nist, befarmaid..

effat27 · 07-01-09, 15:45

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Arastoo ke matalebesh ro be zabane Yunani neveshte, yani faghat baraye ahle yunane ?? Tebghe harfe shoma intor mishe ke; chon Ebne Sina ketbhash be arabiye pas bedarde ma nemikhore va baraye ma nist!

arastoo wa poorsina na ede'aye khoda'i dashtand wa na ede'a kardand ke ensan bayad az dastoorate anha peyrawikonad!wa na mahdoodiae zaban baraye goftare khod dashtnd

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Khode aye javab dade! Natije fekr kardane!

soali nakarde ke ehtiaj be jawab bashe!

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Yani shoma ke mafhume aye ro fahmidid, Fekr konid! In ke dige niyaz be zaban nadare! Hadafe asli Fekr kardane.

in tafsire shoma hast!!

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Shoma vaghti mitunid in harf ro bezanid, ke mohtavaye in matne Arabi be HICH SHEKLE dige ghabele dark nabashe! Ke intor nist.

kodam harf, man naghleghol az ketab awordam

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Janbeye eslamish; Moghaddame: Ma mosalmunha bavar darim ke usule e'teghade eslaam va haghayegh az ghabl az nozule ghor'an vojud dashtan. Hala vaghti ke aye mige ghor'an be zabane arabi nazel shode, TA SHOMA fekr konid ... ruye Arabi budanesh tekye nashode! Yani intor nist ke Chon arabiye, shoma fekr konid! Balke; ma haghayegh ro be surate neveshtey ovordim ta shoma ba khandan, dar in haghayegh fekr konid. Mesle ine: Tuppi ovordam ke aabiye, ta ba ham bazi konim. Bazi kardan bekhatere ovordane tuppe, na abi budan. (if that makes any sense..)

lotfan tafsir nakonid, wa ba awardane masalhaye bachegane maghlate nakonid!
an jomle khodesh manzooreshra dar kamale sadegi gofte!

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Alave bar hameye inha... Ghor'an be har hal bayad be yek zabuni nazel mishod! Gheir az ine ?? Yani: Agar be zabane farsi nazel mishod, bayad gheire fars e'teraz mikard? Ya Agar be zabane engelisi nazel mishod, Gheire engelisi bikhiyalesh mishod?

agar mesle haman aye rooye zaban ta'kid mikarad, ary!

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Darbareye ayeye ba'di: Unzaman dar marhaleye avval mokhatab Arabha budan, mesle alan nabud ke beshe be rahati vase hame tarjome kard! Kheili vazehe ke baraye inke matlabi bekhad be jahaniyan berese avval bayad az marhaleye bumiye khodesh begzare! Nemishod ke Qor'an beyne Arabha be zabane Faransavi ferestade beshe!

man nemigam chera be zabane arabi amade!
migam chon khodesh be in mozoo ta'kid karde pas "arzani'e" khodeshoon

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Ghor'an khodesh mige ke baraye hamegan hast! 38:87 إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌ لِّلْعَالَمِينَ این (قرآن) تذکری برای جهانیان است 21:107 وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ ما تو را جز رحمتی برای جهانیان نفرستاده ایم

shoma in 2aye ra khodet tarjome kardi ? ya naghleghol kardi?

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Estefade az zabane yek ghowm gheir az estefade az farhange un ghowm hast. Pas zaban chizi nist ke bekhad Ghor'an ro mahdud kone be ghowmi ya mellati... Ya inke payambari ahle jai bashe, dalil nemishe ke FAGHAT male unjast!

wali allah chize digari migooyad!!

soore14, ebrahim
aye4

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Vali agar estedlali dashte bashid ke intor nist, befarmaid..

pas mowazeb bashid shomara moosh nakhorad!!

Last Breath · 07-01-09, 17:00

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	arastoo wa poorsina na ede'aye khoda'i dashtand wa na ede'a kardand ke ensan bayad az dastoorate anha peyrawikonad!wa na mahdoodiae zaban baraye goftare khod dashtnd

Peyravi kardane az yek aghide, lozumi nadare ke ketabesh be tamame zabunhaye donya neveshte shode bashe!! Mohem aghide hast va mafhum.

Shoma inro vazehtar begid:
Az koja migid ke ebne sina mahdudeye zaban baraye goftar nadashtan vali Qoran dare ??

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	soali nakarde ke ehtiaj be jawab bashe!

Javab hamishe dar moghabele soal nist!
Inja manzuram javabe eddeatun bud.

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	in tafsire shoma hast!!

Che tafsire man che tafsire kase dige.
Darim bahs mikonim.
manam mitunam begam in nazare shomast va khoda negahdar! In sade tarin rahe farare.
Shoma bayad barresi konid va begid ke chera eshtebah hast !
Bahs be in migan.
Man goftam be in dalayel: A B C eddeatun dorost nist.
Alan shoma begid : D E F eddeahaye shoma (yani man) eshtebast.

Kheili kare doshvari nist. Emtehan konid.

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	kodam harf, man naghleghol az ketab awordam

Dobare vazehtar begam:
"shoma, vaghti mitunid in harf (Ghoran faghat baraye Arab) ro bezanid, ke mohtavaye in matne Arabi be HICH SHEKLE dige ghabele dark nabashe! Ke intor nist."

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	lotfan tafsir nakonid, wa ba awardane masalhaye bachegane maghlate nakonid! an jomle khodesh manzooreshra dar kamale sadegi gofte!

Vaghean ba hame intori bahs va sohbat mikonid ??!
yani chi?
Khob bashe nazare shoma ine ke bachegunast... Vali darim tabadole nazar mikonim. Hadde aghal ehterame khodetun ro hefz konid.
Agar moshkeli hast begid chiye!
Na inke begid MAGHLATE AST, NOGHTE SARE KHAT!
Kojaash maghlatas ???

Pert gooi bedune sanad hamun cherte.
Va az shoma baide harfe "chert" bezanid!

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	agar mesle haman aye rooye zaban ta'kid mikarad, ary!

Man ke goftam ta'kid ruye zaban nist!
Ruye Neveshte hast. Chera?? (Injast ke bayad dalil biyaram: )
2 aayeye mazkur.

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	man nemigam chera be zabane arabi amade! migam chon khodesh be in mozoo ta'kid karde pas "arzani'e" khodeshoon shoma in 2aye ra khodet tarjome kardi ? ya naghleghol kardi?

Khob pas 2 ayeye bad ro chetor "tafsir" mikonid ?

Soaletun che samari dare? Agar man tarjome karde basham ke be nafe shomast! Rahat moshkelesh ro migid ... Albate yadam umad, in kar sakhte baratun.
Na, Naghle ghowl hast.

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	wali allah chize digari migooyad!! soore14, ebrahim aye4

Ettefaghan "chize digari nemiguyad". Beghole khodetun, "in tafsire shomast". (farghesh ine ke in dafe vaghean hamintore. Chera ? \/ )

Moshkeli nadare!
Rasuli ke ferestade mishe, bayad male yek jay bashe! Nemishe ke ru darya biyad!
Vali Peyghamesh Jahaniye!
Nemishe inshekli bashe ??
Ghat'an mishe.

	Quote: Originally Posted by effat27
	pas mowazeb bashid shomara moosh nakhorad!!

... Dobare hamun jaryane, "Che rabti dasht be abgusht ?" ro migid dige?

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effat27 Forum God Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: alange Posts: 3,201 Credits: 15,604 Thanks: 751 Thanked 884 Times in 534 Posts	ghoran wa eslam tanha baraye tazi soore43 alzokhrof, aye3 انا جعلناه قرآنا عربیا لعلکم تعقلون ma anra ghorani arabi gharar dadim bashad ke bi'andishid!! wa ya soore14, ebrahim aye4 وما ارسلنا من رسول الا بلسان قومه لیبین لهم فیضل الله من یشاء ویهدی من یشاء وهو العزیز الحکیم wa ma hich peymbarira joz be zabane ghomash naferestadim ta baraye anan bayan konad pas allah harke ra bekhahad birah migozarad wa harke ra bekhahad hedayat mikonad wa oost arjomande hakim natije inke peyambar wa ketabash barye ma IRANI-ha bayad PARSI-zaban bashad __________________ امروز همان فردائیست که دیروز نگران ان بودید بــــــــــــنام خـــــــــــــداوند جـــــــــــــــان و خــــــــــــــرد º°¨ ¸„ø¤º°¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„ ¨°º¤ø„ ¸No to J.E!!!!!¨°º¤ø„¸ ¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º „¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤

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Last Breath Triple Ace Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Here Posts: 229 Credits: 1,128 Thanks: 183 Thanked 129 Times in 78 Posts	Arastoo ke matalebesh ro be zabane Yunani neveshte, yani faghat baraye ahle yunane ?? Tebghe harfe shoma intor mishe ke; chon Ebne Sina ketbhash be arabiye pas bedarde ma nemikhore va baraye ma nist! Khode aye javab dade! Natije fekr kardane! Yani shoma ke mafhume aye ro fahmidid, Fekr konid! In ke dige niyaz be zaban nadare! Hadafe asli Fekr kardane. Shoma vaghti mitunid in harf ro bezanid, ke mohtavaye in matne Arabi be HICH SHEKLE dige ghabele dark nabashe! Ke intor nist. Janbeye eslamish; Moghaddame: Ma mosalmunha bavar darim ke usule e'teghade eslaam va haghayegh az ghabl az nozule ghor'an vojud dashtan. Hala vaghti ke aye mige ghor'an be zabane arabi nazel shode, TA SHOMA fekr konid ... ruye Arabi budanesh tekye nashode! Yani intor nist ke Chon arabiye, shoma fekr konid! Balke; ma haghayegh ro be surate neveshtey ovordim ta shoma ba khandan, dar in haghayegh fekr konid. Mesle ine: Tuppi ovordam ke aabiye, ta ba ham bazi konim. Bazi kardan bekhatere ovordane tuppe, na abi budan. (if that makes any sense..) Alave bar hameye inha... Ghor'an be har hal bayad be yek zabuni nazel mishod! Gheir az ine ?? Yani: Agar be zabane farsi nazel mishod, bayad gheire fars e'teraz mikard? Ya Agar be zabane engelisi nazel mishod, Gheire engelisi bikhiyalesh mishod? Darbareye ayeye ba'di: Unzaman dar marhaleye avval mokhatab Arabha budan, mesle alan nabud ke beshe be rahati vase hame tarjome kard! Kheili vazehe ke baraye inke matlabi bekhad be jahaniyan berese avval bayad az marhaleye bumiye khodesh begzare! Nemishod ke Qor'an beyne Arabha be zabane Faransavi ferestade beshe! Ghor'an khodesh mige ke baraye hamegan hast! 38:87 إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌ لِّلْعَالَمِينَ این (قرآن) تذکری برای جهانیان است 21:107 وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ ما تو را جز رحمتی برای جهانیان نفرستاده ایم Estefade az zabane yek ghowm gheir az estefade az farhange un ghowm hast. Pas zaban chizi nist ke bekhad Ghor'an ro mahdud kone be ghowmi ya mellati... Ya inke payambari ahle jai bashe, dalil nemishe ke FAGHAT male unjast! Vali agar estedlali dashte bashid ke intor nist, befarmaid..