Key Question 1: Khoda chist?

**ramin29** · 17-01-09, 02:27

Ba salam,

Dar bahs haye dini chand nokteye kelidi vojud dare ke man be tadrij say mikonam unha ro dar ghalebe soal matrah konam, omidvaram dustan az in bahsa esteghbal konan, be vije javabe peyrovane adyan be in soalha kheili mohemme.

Dindaran vaghti az khoda sohbat mikonand daghighan moshakhas nemikonand che khodayi madde nazareshune ya az ebarat haye gong baraye tosife khodashun sohbat mikonan, ya hatta bazi vaghta ye dindar tu bahs haye mokhtalef chand jur az ye khoda harf mizane juri ke be nazar miad az chand ta khoda harf mizane (bevije tu mosalmuna in ghazie dide mishe).

Lotfan dindar ha bian va inja began manzureshun az khoda chie va in khoda che sefati dare, masalan mosalmuna began allah chie va che sefati dare.

Mamnoon

Last Breath · 17-01-09, 05:08

Salaam Agha Ramin,

Kam peydaid!
Tabrik migam baabate Staff shodan . . . Vaghtesh bud in section ye Mod dashte bashe, vaghean jorat mikhad unham tuye bakhshe Religious ke kheili hassaase!

Darbareye Threade jaalebetun ham, az khodetun shoru konid ta "dindaran" tashvigh beshan

Inha chand soale kolliye dige:
a) "Khoda"
b) Tabi'at
c) Energy
d) Hichkodam
e) Hameye mavaared sahihand ...

Dekhalat dare tu donya ya na?
Khosusiyaat va Sefaate kolli va/ya jozi . . .

**Hassan Kachal** · 17-01-09, 05:26

mer30 mitoone ye soale basic va ye bahse jalebi bashe...

man ino jaye dige neveshte boodam, hamoono tekrar mikonam

- - - - - - - - - -

bashar va bashariyat az azal ta konoon be ghodrate ma-fogh va balatar eteghad dashteh... hamishe motaghed boodeh ke yek nirooye birooni va khareghoade boodeh ke jahan va hasti ro afarideh va oono hedayat va control mikoneh... ghodrati ke anchenan in hasti ro ba nazm va pefect afarideh ke agar yek cm koreye zamin invar tar bood shayad alan hamegi az sarma ya garma mordeh boodim...

dar ghadim az khodayan khod bot va ajsami misakhtan ke betoonan oono beparastan va azash tashakor konan... tashakor az madar zamin, THE UNIVERSE... yeki bot, yeki gav, yeki khorshid, yeki shiva, yeki allah, yeki god, yeki KHODA... hame va hame be ghodrate bartar eteghad dashtan, ghodrati ke ma foghe ghodrate bashar hast...

man ta hade ziadi ba in quote movafegham...

	Quote:
	Khodai ke man miparastam tamome mojodhaye nafaskesh hastan va dar koll harchi ke cheshmet mibine. Age khoda fahm nadare pas mano to ham nadarim. Chon darim rajebe khodemon harf mizanim. Khode ma khoda hastim. Man farze mesal ye shoghle khobi migiram ke por az daramad dare. Khodaro shokr mikonam. Yani dar vaghe az ensanha va universe. Yek ensan bode ke be man shoghlo dade dige na? va on ensan age oxygen nadasht pas zende ham nabod dige na? Pas merci az in faza ke oxygen dare va tooneste on shakhsi ke be man shoghlo dado zende negah dare. Va zamani ke man khodaro too hamechi mibinam pas yek sare migam merci khoda. ta inke begam merci on shakhsi ke be man shoghlo dad. Merci oxygen..merci on keshaavarzi ke gandom kashto reise man noon khordo zende mond. Merci on ghasabi ke gav koshto dad reise man khordo zende mond ta betone be man shoghlo bede . merci oni ke maghaze kar kardo ghaza forokht be reise man ta zende mondo man tonestam in shoghlo begiram.,..va va va ........... Khoda be man komak karde. Khoda kie? Kolle donya...kolle universe...kolle ensanha....kolle heyvanha....HAMECHI.

dar payan ham nemidoonam dost darid esmesho chi bezarid vali man ham be ghodrate ma-fogh eteghad daram, age be esme Allah alergy darid mishe esmesho avaz kard vali mahiyatesho nemishe karish kard

**ramin29** · 17-01-09, 07:35

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Salaam Agha Ramin, Kam peydaid! Tabrik migam baabate Staff shodan . . . Vaghtesh bud in section ye Mod dashte bashe, vaghean jorat mikhad unham tuye bakhshe Religious ke kheili hassaase! Darbareye Threade jaalebetun ham, az khodetun shoru konid ta "dindaran" tashvigh beshan Inha chand soale kolliye dige: a) "Khoda" b) Tabi'at c) Energy d) Hichkodam e) Hameye mavaared sahihand ... Dekhalat dare tu donya ya na? Khosusiyaat va Sefaate kolli va/ya jozi . . .

Mamnoon az tabriketun,

Shoma kheili vaghta soal ro ba soal pasokh midin

Shayad man be khoda eteghadi nadashte basham ya be ye noe vahdate vojudi eteghad dashte basham ya khoda ro faghat khalegh bedunam vali mosallaman be khodaye adyan eteghadi nadaram, dar halike dindarha ba tavajoh be ketabe dini va tarifhayi ke moghaddasine dineshun dashtan bayad betunan ye tarife moshakhasi az khodayi ke miparastan erae bedan.

man mikham bedunam shoma ke mosalmun hastin ba tavajoh be ghoran che tarifi az khoda darin, ya behtar begam vaghti mishnavid khoda, che tajassomi az khoda dar zehnetun foran be vojud miad.

**ramin29** · 17-01-09, 07:42

	Quote: Originally Posted by Hassan Kachal
	mer30 mitoone ye soale basic va ye bahse jalebi bashe... man ino jaye dige neveshte boodam, hamoono tekrar mikonam - - - - - - - - - - bashar va bashariyat az azal ta konoon be ghodrate ma-fogh va balatar eteghad dashteh... hamishe motaghed boodeh ke yek nirooye birooni va khareghoade boodeh ke jahan va hasti ro afarideh va oono hedayat va control mikoneh... ghodrati ke anchenan in hasti ro ba nazm va pefect afarideh ke agar yek cm koreye zamin invar tar bood shayad alan hamegi az sarma ya garma mordeh boodim... dar ghadim az khodayan khod bot va ajsami misakhtan ke betoonan oono beparastan va azash tashakor konan... tashakor az madar zamin, THE UNIVERSE... yeki bot, yeki gav, yeki khorshid, yeki shiva, yeki allah, yeki god, yeki KHODA... hame va hame be ghodrate bartar eteghad dashtan, ghodrati ke ma foghe ghodrate bashar hast... man ta hade ziadi ba in quote movafegham... dar payan ham nemidoonam dost darid esmesho chi bezarid vali man ham be ghodrate ma-fogh eteghad daram, age be esme Allah alergy darid mishe esmesho avaz kard vali mahiyatesho nemishe karish kard

Mamnoon az inke dar bahs sherkat mikonid.

in tarifi ke shoma az khoda mikonid tarife dini nist, hamun vahdate vojud garayi hastesh ke orafaye mosalmun (Mowlavi masalan) ham be nahvi behesh motaghed budan. Harchand age khoda ro niruyi mavarae jahan midunid, chetor mitunid kolle jahan ro khoda bedunid? belakhare in khodayi ke shoma behesh eteghad darin maddie ya gheire maddi? sefate khalegh budan dare (yani hasti ro az nisti khalgh karde)? shayesteye parasteshe (age are chikar karde ke shayesteye parastesh shode)? dar 4choobe hich dini jay migire?

Mamnoon misham javab bedin.

Filip.S. · 17-01-09, 11:51

Khoday ke Din tozieh mide vojod nadare. Khodaye ke khalegh hasto in Keyhan ro khalgh karde ham vojod nadare. chizeh digey ham baghi nemimoneh !!!

PersianFire · 17-01-09, 13:34

threadhaye movazi dar rabete ba khoda.

dooste gerami, shoma age mikhay khodavand ro beshnasy, bedoone tasob be inke mosalmoona chi fekr mikonan babayd beshini va fekr koni.

titre threadeto bekhoon, shoma moze giry dary dar bahset, manam inja nemikham ba shoma debato dava konam. age shoma vaghan alaghe mandy ke haghyghato dark koni, refer to your powerful mind bedoone tasob.

dar morede afaridegar agar sohbat mikoni, yek mozoe.

va sefate afaridegar mozoe digary hast. shoma aval bayad afridegaro ghabool koni, bad biay sare sefatesh bahs koni. pas aval tosie mikonam moshkhas konid ke aslan afaridegario ba har sefaty ghabool darid ya na.

**ramin29** · 17-01-09, 13:50

	Quote: Originally Posted by PersianFire
	threadhaye movazi dar rabete ba khoda. dooste gerami, shoma age mikhay khodavand ro beshnasy, bedoone tasob be inke mosalmoona chi fekr mikonan babayd beshini va fekr koni. titre threadeto bekhoon, shoma moze giry dary dar bahset, manam inja nemikham ba shoma debato dava konam. age shoma vaghan alaghe mandy ke haghyghato dark koni, refer to your powerful mind bedoone tasob. dar morede afaridegar agar sohbat mikoni, yek mozoe. va sefate afaridegar mozoe digary hast. shoma aval bayad afridegaro ghabool koni, bad biay sare sefatesh bahs koni. pas aval tosie mikonam moshkhas konid ke aslan afaridegario ba har sefaty ghabool darid ya na.

Salam

1. Onvane thread ro albate man khodam neveshtam (age manzooretun ba mane), khastam bedunam nazare shomaha chie dar bareye khodavand na inke khodam bekham khoda ro tarif konam. mikham bedunam aya tasavvore daghighi az unche miparastim darim ya na.

2. Aya afaridan sefate baraye khoda? yani shoma afaridan ro sefate avvaliyeye khoda midunid? (afarinesh yani khalgh kardane hasti az nisti), ya inke harki jahan ro khalgh karde lajaram khodast (khoda ro sefate afarinande midunid)?

3. az rooye che dalayel va shavahedi shoma be afarinesh etminan darin?

mamnoon

PersianFire · 17-01-09, 14:07

	Quote: Originally Posted by ramin29
	Salam 1. Onvane thread ro albate man khodam neveshtam (age manzooretun ba mane), khastam bedunam nazare shomaha chie dar bareye khodavand na inke khodam bekham khoda ro tarif konam. mikham bedunam aya tasavvore daghighi az unche miparastim darim ya na. 2. Aya afaridan sefate baraye khoda? yani shoma afaridan ro sefate avvaliyeye khoda midunid? (afarinesh yani khalgh kardane hasti az nisti), ya inke harki jahan ro khalgh karde lajaram khodast (khoda ro sefate afarinande midunid)? 3. az rooye che dalayel va shavahedi shoma be afarinesh etminan darin? mamnoon

salam

pas shoma bahsetoon esbate vojoode khodavand nist, balke mikhayd bebinid harcas che tasavori dare azash?

agar intore dar javabe shoma man fekr nemikonam hich donafary bar roye koreye zamin tasavore yeksani az khoda dashte bashand.

ama man khodam be shakhase eteghad daram, varaye tamame ghodrathaee ke dar jahan vojood daran, yek afarinanadeye nahaee vojood dare ke jahan ro az nisty be hasty avaorde. vojoode on mojood az noe vojood hast, baraye hamin mojoodate dige az on be vojood omadan.

man motaghedam in jahan bar asase ghavanine riazie besiar daghygh car mikone. ke kheiliashoono ma ensanha nemidoonim va kheiliasham takhmini hastan va elme daghyghy azashoon nadaraim. va bakhshidane vojood be yek nisty khodesh lotf hast, pas har vojoodi nashy az rahmate khodast, va in afarinande miafarine va takamol mide, va chon ghodrate motlagh hast niaz nadare. va chon niaz nadare chizi mesle zolm azash sar nemizane, chon zolm nashi az niaz hast. va chon ma az nisty boodim, vojoodemoon dobare be nisty bar migarde. bejoz rooh ke az jense zate khodavand hast va fana shodany nist.

shoma daraye rooh hasty, chon agar rooh nadashty besoorate yek computere pishrafte amal mikardy ke faghat etelatao zakhire mikone, mazeye ghazaharo mifahme, dardo mifahme va mitoone analys kone, ama on darke nahaee ro az atrafesh nadare. shoma yek darki varaye mashine zehnet az atrafet dary, ke neshoon mide shoma vojood dary braye khodet, va on dark nashi az rohetoon hast. chon agar faghat maghz boodi, mesle yek mashin boodyd. va in rooh bad az marg bazham vojood khahad dasht chon az jense zate khodavand hast.

zate khodavand ham biniaz hast az har chizi chon mabdae afarinesh hast. va chon biniaz hast zolmi azash sar nemizane va hamash rahmat hast. baraye hamin roohe shoma az carhaee ke be digaran va khodesh rahmat miresoone ehsase lezat va aramesh mikone, va carayee ke az roye niaz besoorate zolm be khodetoon ya digaran anjam mishe arameshe rooho beham mizane, chon in roohe az jense zate khodavand hast.

Last Breath · 17-01-09, 14:11

	Quote: Originally Posted by ramin29
	Mamnoon az tabriketun, Shoma kheili vaghta soal ro ba soal pasokh midin Shayad man be khoda eteghadi nadashte basham ya be ye noe vahdate vojudi eteghad dashte basham ya khoda ro faghat khalegh bedunam vali mosallaman be khodaye adyan eteghadi nadaram, dar halike dindarha ba tavajoh be ketabe dini va tarifhayi ke moghaddasine dineshun dashtan bayad betunan ye tarife moshakhasi az khodayi ke miparastan erae bedan. man mikham bedunam shoma ke mosalmun hastin ba tavajoh be ghoran che tarifi az khoda darin, ya behtar begam vaghti mishnavid khoda, che tajassomi az khoda dar zehnetun foran be vojud miad.

Kheili vaghta soal javabe kaamelesh soale.
Albate in dafe soalo javab nadadam, beghowli Extend kardam

Eibi nadare, nazare khodetun ro mikhastim. Che dini che gheire dini. Hala tamayol nadarid bahse digast. Titre Thread Khoda Chist bud, chize digey be zahen miresid.

...Khob, berim dino be sollabe bekeshim

:
Bekhaym kaamel tozih bedim kheili mofassal mishe. INJA say kardam ahamme mataaleb ro kutah begam (albate na faghat darbareye khoda), untori shod!

Be tore kolli 2 daste sefaat hastan (ke tu mesal hashun bahse):
1- Zaati: ke bargerefte az khode kodast va rabti be jaye dige nadare messe hayaat
2- Fe'li: ke marbut mishe be rabeteye beine khoda va khalgh. Messe Khaaleghiyate khoda. Ke bedune makhlugh assan tasavvor nemishe.

Chandta az Sefaate Asliye khoda ro titr var migam ta bebinim nazare dustan chiye va kojasho mishe bahs kard...

Vojud (be etebare dige:hayaat) - Mojarrad (jesm nist) - Azali - Abadi - Vahdat - Bi niyaze motlagh - Ghodrat - Adl - Elm - Hekmat va va va (edame dare, amma inha mishe goft aslitarin hastan ke mansha'e baghiye az in sefaate)

17-01-09, 02:27	#1 (permalink)
ramin29 Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 880 Credits: 584 Thanks: 28 Thanked 130 Times in 48 Posts	Key Question 1: Khoda chist? Ba salam, Dar bahs haye dini chand nokteye kelidi vojud dare ke man be tadrij say mikonam unha ro dar ghalebe soal matrah konam, omidvaram dustan az in bahsa esteghbal konan, be vije javabe peyrovane adyan be in soalha kheili mohemme. Dindaran vaghti az khoda sohbat mikonand daghighan moshakhas nemikonand che khodayi madde nazareshune ya az ebarat haye gong baraye tosife khodashun sohbat mikonan, ya hatta bazi vaghta ye dindar tu bahs haye mokhtalef chand jur az ye khoda harf mizane juri ke be nazar miad az chand ta khoda harf mizane (bevije tu mosalmuna in ghazie dide mishe). Lotfan dindar ha bian va inja began manzureshun az khoda chie va in khoda che sefati dare, masalan mosalmuna began allah chie va che sefati dare. Mamnoon __________________ من درد مشترکم، مرا فریاد کن

17-01-09, 11:51	#6 (permalink)
Filip.S. Viking Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 578 Credits: 2,216 Thanks: 2 Thanked 56 Times in 38 Posts	Khoday ke Din tozieh mide vojod nadare. Khodaye ke khalegh hasto in Keyhan ro khalgh karde ham vojod nadare. chizeh digey ham baghi nemimoneh !!! __________________ "Islam is insult to Christianity, Christianity is insult to Judaism, Judaism is insult to humanity"

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Last Breath Triple Ace Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Here Posts: 229 Credits: 1,128 Thanks: 183 Thanked 129 Times in 78 Posts	Salaam Agha Ramin, Kam peydaid! Tabrik migam baabate Staff shodan . . . Vaghtesh bud in section ye Mod dashte bashe, vaghean jorat mikhad unham tuye bakhshe Religious ke kheili hassaase! Darbareye Threade jaalebetun ham, az khodetun shoru konid ta "dindaran" tashvigh beshan Inha chand soale kolliye dige: a) "Khoda" b) Tabi'at c) Energy d) Hichkodam e) Hameye mavaared sahihand ... Dekhalat dare tu donya ya na? Khosusiyaat va Sefaate kolli va/ya jozi . . .

17-01-09, 13:34	#7 (permalink)
PersianFire Emperor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,151 Credits: 3,178 Thanks: 380 Thanked 337 Times in 248 Posts	threadhaye movazi dar rabete ba khoda. dooste gerami, shoma age mikhay khodavand ro beshnasy, bedoone tasob be inke mosalmoona chi fekr mikonan babayd beshini va fekr koni. titre threadeto bekhoon, shoma moze giry dary dar bahset, manam inja nemikham ba shoma debato dava konam. age shoma vaghan alaghe mandy ke haghyghato dark koni, refer to your powerful mind bedoone tasob. dar morede afaridegar agar sohbat mikoni, yek mozoe. va sefate afaridegar mozoe digary hast. shoma aval bayad afridegaro ghabool koni, bad biay sare sefatesh bahs koni. pas aval tosie mikonam moshkhas konid ke aslan afaridegario ba har sefaty ghabool darid ya na.