All powerfull God

Filip.S. · 19-01-09, 23:13

God is Omnipotence which means he is All Powerful. So here is the question can God create a mountain that even he can not move it? Or can God make 2+2=5 ?

Last Breath · 20-01-09, 06:45

	Quote: Originally Posted by Filip.S.
	God is Omnipotence which means he is All Powerful. So here is the question can God create a mountain that even he can not move it? Or can God make 2+2=5 ?

There was a similar thread HERE.

Ill paste what I think form the thread:

Pish farze soaletun:

Khoda ghader hast - ghaadere motlagh.

dar har sorat, javabe soal che are, che na in pishfarz ro naghz mikone.
Pas ya soal eshtebast, ya pishfarze soal. Dar hardo surat eshkal be soal konande varede.

Mesle in mishe:

Pish farz: Ali pa nadarad.
Soal: Agar Ali rah beravad zudtar be maghsad miresad ya bedavad ??

Ya in:

Ye heyvun bere madrese, tuye adabiyat behtar nomre miyare ya physic ?

Filip.S. · 20-01-09, 10:38

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	There was a similar thread HERE. Ill paste what I think form the thread: Pish farze soaletun: Khoda ghader hast - ghaadere motlagh. dar har sorat, javabe soal che are, che na in pishfarz ro naghz mikone. Pas ya soal eshtebast, ya pishfarze soal. Dar hardo surat eshkal be soal konande varede. Mesle in mishe: Pish farz: Ali pa nadarad. Soal: Agar Ali rah beravad zudtar be maghsad miresad ya bedavad ?? Ya in: Ye heyvun bere madrese, tuye adabiyat behtar nomre miyare ya physic ?

Good so it means even God is bound by logic, reason of our universe. which means he can not exist out of logic. So is not logical to ask 2+2=5 since it is not logical.

In this case the very existence of God is not Logical.

Last Breath · 20-01-09, 13:48

	Quote: Originally Posted by Filip.S.
	Good so it means even God is bound by logic, reason of our universe. which means he can not exist out of logic. So is not logical to ask 2+2=5 since it is not logical. In this case the very existence of God is not Logical.

Whaa ??

The only part I completely understood was "So is not logical to ask 2+2=5 since it is not logical."

How do you say he is bound ??

He created Logic! How can he be bound by it ? What does that even mean ?

Filip.S. · 20-01-09, 15:28

	Quote: Originally Posted by Last Breath
	Whaa ?? He created Logic! How can he be bound by it ? What does that even mean ?

If he is not bound by logic; than it means he can exist out side our logic so in this case he should be able to create a mountain that even he can not move it?

Which means than he is not all powerful.

Don't you get it that the whole idea that "God is All Powerful" contradict it self this is why the conservation in regard of it sounds so ridicules.

Since God is not bound by our logic in his existence 2+2=5 is possible. However since no one but him has knowledge or access to his dimension no one can proof logically that indeed it is possible. Which this whole statement of God is in need of blind faith.

YOUNG KING · 20-01-09, 15:30

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Last Breath · 21-01-09, 08:14

	Quote: Originally Posted by Filip.S.
	If he is not bound by logic; than it means he can exist out side our logic so in this case he should be able to create a mountain that even he can not move it? Which means than he is not all powerful. Don't you get it that the whole idea that "God is All Powerful" contradict it self this is why the conservation in regard of it sounds so ridicules. Since God is not bound by our logic in his existence 2+2=5 is possible. However since no one but him has knowledge or access to his dimension no one can proof logically that indeed it is possible. Which this whole statement of God is in need of blind faith.

Okay! Now I get you completely.

About All-Powerful:
Something must be Logically possible (in its essence) for it to be able happen.

For example:
God cant create another God.
Because that would mean having two infinities (which in its ESSENCE is impossible! )
So "Can" and "Cant", dont apply to this! Because the subject is by itself impossible. Let alone bringing it into a clause!

But we can say:
God can part the sea.
Because this isnt essentially/in itself possible. Why? Because god created the sea and gave it its qualities thats why he has POWER over it.

So Power is an attribute that is applied to -essentially- Possible things.

Now . . . You say, so God is bound by these (essentially) Possible and Impossible things.

INTRO:
We believe that every action by itself (without taking into account the say of religion) can be good or bad. And that our limited Logic can to some extent differentiate and understand them.

For example we know that if someone steals from a baby, thats bad.
At the same time we know and understand that getting back whats stolen and punishing the stealer is good.

God has given us this power of Logic to use. To know whats right and wrong and most importantly to know HIM.

Now, heres the point:

He has the FULL Logic. He has made and given us ours.
He has set out core rules.
We use our Logic to know Gods attributes according to the rules (i.e. the essentially possible and impossible).
So if we use Logic, it doesnt mean that God is bound by it. Its just as a tool to understand reality/truth. He created it for this purpose.

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